Etymotic, this is a friendly place, despite appearances, and the crowd here is accepting and welcoming of all manner of folks, newbies and old heads. If you want to hang around great, if you've jumped ship already, enjoy the swim.
I second this, and hope the friendly, helpful side of the forum can come across more.
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Seems to me the issue isn't with active speakers, but with one brand. They seem to be targetting the forum here - you only have to mention the words advice plus system and there they go!
Seriously, ADM/AVI are just one of many actives these days, some of which are probably better, and others more advanced. They still suffer from the same as everything else - voicing primarily - so you're not going to like speakers just because they are active. Me, I like my Magnepans.
Unless they're wrong about something, obviously!
Oh, right, I see the problem now...
Did I miss the post where he said he wasn't coming back or something?
No signature worth mentioning...
The thing is, the advice is usually given when a budget at or around the cost of the ADMs is mentioned. Then the ADMs are usually advised on a complete system basis (certainly from my perspective), with all the benefits that active speakers offer and lets not beat around the bush, there are definite advantages to active speakers and with all else about a speaker being equal, the active will be the better of the two due to the crossover design. Wether or not you like the difference in sound presentation is entirely subjective, but that's a different issue.
Now as far as arguments go, the argy bargy usually begins once the ADMs have been advised and then someone chips in with a snippy comment against the ADMs and the 'blue touch paper' is lit.
You don't have to even get to the end of the second page (actually it can start a lot earlier sometimes) before the negativity starts and the OP has long gone, probably wondering what on earth is wrong with people on here.
And altruistic.lemon, point me in the direction of the more advanced/better actives than the ADMs (that also offer the complete package including preamp, DAC and remote) and at around a similar price, because I'd quite honestly be very interested.
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By the way, why are users on the AVI forum monitoring this, and presumably other threads?
Thanks for that.
I've seen the Xeos, quite a bit down on power than the ADMs though and this would be an issue in a larger room. They wouldn't really give me anything over what I already have.
As for the monitoring, not a clue. Why anyway? Has some sort of paranoia crept in?
Wireless. Floorstanders, too.
If you have the room I'd go Magnepan or Martin Logan, they are really so much better than active and passive equivalents.
I have no idea why the AVI forum would be paranoid. The challenge from Dynaudio, ATC, Linn etc perhaps?
Just that Drummerman mentioned it earlier...
Hardly paranoia inducing.
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Ive asked on here a couple of times if anybody had heard the Martin Logan hybrids. If I'd known about them 12 months ago I may have given them a try.
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The floorstanders still have no better amplification and wireless is at the moment of little benefit.
Electrostatics, yes, I see the appeal, but it is unlikely that I'll find myself in a situation where I have the space for them anytime soon (having small chldren running around). Some electrostatics and a conventional sub would be quite nice I suppose, but for me right now, bookshelf/standmount speakers are where it needs to be. My choices at the moment for more headroom are larger monitors or the ADMs. My shortlist is fluid, but has a few core speakers.
The paranoia thing wasn't actually aimed at AVI or anyone in particular, but part of the reason that I would give the ADMs a reference, is a lack of any challenge at their price point, even the Xeos, although similar in concept, are quite a bit underpowered in comparison and that is also without the apparent quality of drivers in the ADMs.
About a million unique visitors a month last time I saw, but that was a long time ago.
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You'd think that there'd be a bit more active traffic then.
Of late about 0.5m+ unique visitors per week for the site as a whole, and just under 350,000 page views for the forums out of a total of just under 3.25m.
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I was hoping this was going to have some useful information about the two speakers mentioned in the OP but apprently not.
I pity the OP having to read through this lot.
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