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RE: KEF ls50 - Highly Recommended

alchemist 1 wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

Which other speakers will you be demoing?

        Atc19's

Hi alchemist 1

Nice one Cool  Fwiw, imo i feel that SCM19 monitors are probably the finest VFM passive bookshelf designs currently available on the market regardless of price Smile

All the best

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RE: KEF ls50 - Highly Recommended

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alchemist 1 wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

Which other speakers will you be demoing?

        Atc19's

Hi alchemist 1

Nice one Cool  Fwiw, imo i feel that SCM19 monitors are probably the finest VFM passive bookshelf designs currently available on the market regardless of price Smile

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

       Hello, Rick,   I've just returned from demoing the ATC19'S, Acoustic energy's REF1's and KEF's LS50's.

                                        Well the atc's and ref1's sounded o.k in their own way.

                                        But for me the Kef's just blew them away.

                                        They just sound SOoo! Right.

 

                                       

                                          I've had Atc 11's, listened too B&W PM1'S [very good],

                                           Proac annversary.

                                           Monitor audio's gx100  &50's

                                           Own at present B&W's cm1 [again very good]

 

                                             But the KEF's are just some thing else.  

                                             I've just found the speaker i have been searching for the last

                                              18 months or more.

                                             One of the best stand mounters I've heard regardless of price.

                                            As stated by others Game changers.

                                           

                                            Thank you to Kevin at F. HARVEY for enlightening me.

                                           

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Have you seen the measurements in this review?

http://www.kef.com/uploads/files/en/review/LS50_HFN_0712.pdf

Dynaudio Focus 110, Atc SCM12 are also dynamically compressed speakers. It's a trait shared by every low efficiency coned and domed speaker that I've come across.

 

Have you campared these flat (the word they use is flat trend) measurements to other speaker measurements done by this magazine? I have seen measurements of the LS50 in 2 German audio magazines that were even more flat.

But according to you all low efficiency coned and domed speakers are dynamically compressed? I also owned B&W Nautilus 803, Dynaudio Contour S3.4, Audio Physic Virgo, Dunlavy SC-IV, .... . Compared to these, the LS50 do not sound dynamically compressed to me.

One of the best compact  speakers i have ever heard were the Dynaudio Confidence 3 and Confidence C1. These are also low efficiency speakers and thus also sound dynamically compressed according to you?

 

BTW, how do you know there are three peaks? I hope that the answer is not that you heard these peaks.

In my earlier post I was reporting what they sounded like to me. I found myself sitting there trying to mentally plot a frequency response curve, based on what I was hearing with the music I was listening to. When I listen to less coloured speakers I don't find myself doing that. My comments about the peaks and troughs would seem to be supported by the Hi-fi News measurements. No, I've not seen measurements in any German magazines. Do you have any links to them?

 

I've not heard the Dynaudio Confidence 3 nor C1 speakers.

 

Have you compared any of the low efficiency speakers that you mentioned to any high efficiency speakers in the range of 97 to 108dbs/watt/1 metre? If so how do you think they compared in terms of dynamic ease and dynamic compression?

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       Hello, Rick,   I've just returned from demoing the ATC19'S, Acoustic energy's REF1's and KEF's LS50's.

                                        Well the atc's and ref1's sounded o.k in their own way.

                                        But for me the Kef's just blew them away.

                                        They just sound SOoo! Right.                                         

                                          I've had Atc 11's, listened too B&W PM1'S [very good],

                                           Proac annversary.

                                           Monitor audio's gx100  &50's

                                           Own at present B&W's cm1 [again very good]

 

                                             But the KEF's are just some thing else.  

                                             I've just found the speaker i have been searching for the last

                                              18 months or more.

                                             One of the best stand mounters I've heard regardless of price.

                                            As stated by others Game changers.

                                           

                                            Thank you to Kevin at F. HARVEY for enlightening me.

                                           

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Sounds superb - I have just booked to demo them over the weekend - always liked the KEF sound, and love the look of the LS50s. Enjoy!

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KEF take measurements of their speakers in various different situations to make sure they get a flat response when designing. They have assured me that the LS50 is a flat response.

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                                             One of the best stand mounters I've heard regardless of price.

 

 

Agreed. Wink

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 No, I've not seen measurements in any German magazines. Do you have any links to them?

 

No, i only have the magazines and the reviews are not yet on the web.

 

lindsayt wrote:

Have you compared any of the low efficiency speakers that you mentioned to any high efficiency speakers in the range of 97 to 108dbs/watt/1 metre? If so how do you think they compared in terms of dynamic ease and dynamic compression?

 

On many occasions i was able to listen to the Klipsch Palladium P-37F floorstander (96 dB), the Palladium P-17B (94 dB) and the Reference RF-XX floorstanders  (97 dB and higher). I never found these better than the LS50 in terms of dynamic ease or compression. They can play a lot louder, but for normal listening levels these were not better than the LS50 imo.

By far the best speakers i heard in terms of dynamic ease and compression are the JBL Project Everest DD66000 (96 dB). But these costs about 44 times more than the KEF LS50, so they should sound less compressed. Wink

 

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KEF take measurements of their speakers in various different situations to make sure they get a flat response when designing. They have assured me that the LS50 is a flat response.

 

What has been confirmed by the measurements i have seen in 2 audio magazines. Wink

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MUSICRAFT wrote:

alchemist 1 wrote:

Well the 11's ARE one of the bench marks on this forum.   Wink

Hi alchemist 1

No boom, bloom, gloom, bling, like for like or pretence. SCM11 monitors with their low distortion, flat and honest designs instead reproduce the stability and the power of the sound in a controlled, uncoloured and natural manner.

The original ATC monitoring  Smile

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Rick,

what sonic limitations do you think that the ATC SCM11's have?

No speaker is perfect.

Hi lindsayt

hence why ATC themselves have even more advanced monitors to help get reproduction closer to perfection.

All the best

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ErwinC]</p> <p>[quote=alchemist 1 wrote:

regardless of price.

Hi ErwinC

I think i had better get a copyright Wink   Tongue out

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alchemist 1 wrote:

MUSICRAFT wrote:

Nice one Cool  Fwiw, imo i feel that SCM19 monitors are probably the finest VFM passive bookshelf designs currently available on the market regardless of price Smile

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

One of the best stand mounters I've heard regardless of price.

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RE: KEF ls50 - Highly Recommended

MUSICRAFT wrote:

lindsayt wrote:

MUSICRAFT wrote:

alchemist 1 wrote:

Well the 11's ARE one of the bench marks on this forum.   Wink

Hi alchemist 1

No boom, bloom, gloom, bling, like for like or pretence. SCM11 monitors with their low distortion, flat and honest designs instead reproduce the stability and the power of the sound in a controlled, uncoloured and natural manner.

The original ATC monitoring  Smile

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Rick,

what sonic limitations do you think that the ATC SCM11's have?

No speaker is perfect.

Hi lindsayt

hence why ATC themselves have even more advanced monitors to help get reproduction closer to perfection.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Rick,

in view of your status as an ATC dealer, do you think the nature of your posts on ATC in this thread on this hi-fi forum are appropriate?

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alchemist 1 wrote:

MUSICRAFT wrote:

alchemist 1 wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

Which other speakers will you be demoing?

        Atc19's

Hi alchemist 1

Nice one Cool  Fwiw, imo i feel that SCM19 monitors are probably the finest VFM passive bookshelf designs currently available on the market regardless of price Smile

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

       Hello, Rick,   I've just returned from demoing the ATC19'S, Acoustic energy's REF1's and KEF's LS50's.

                                        Well the atc's and ref1's sounded o.k in their own way.

                                        But for me the Kef's just blew them away.

                                        They just sound SOoo! Right.

 

 

                                          I've had Atc 11's, listened too B&W PM1'S [very good],

                                           Proac annversary.

                                           Monitor audio's gx100  &50's

                                           Own at present B&W's cm1 [again very good]

 

                                             But the KEF's are just some thing else.  

                                             I've just found the speaker i have been searching for the last

                                              18 months or more.

                                             One of the best stand mounters I've heard regardless of price.

                                            As stated by others Game changers.

 

 

 

Hi alchemist 1

I am that you liked the 50's  Smile

All the best

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lindsayt wrote:

Rick,

in view of your status as an ATC dealer, do you think the nature of your posts on ATC in this thread on this hi-fi forum are appropriate?

Hi lindsayt

I've replied to you I am sorry that my response was not what you had hoped for.

Btw, perhaps you should also look at your seemingly 'know it all' posts as I haven't agreed with some of them.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

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