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RE: KEF LS50 disappointment :(

ddc, maybe the speakers aren't for him, but surely you're not saying that an old and unsuitable AV amp should be used with this calibre of equipment?? If you are, then it calls a lot of your other advice into question, mate.You say ask your dealer, but I'd question that if that's the sort of advice a dealer's going to give.

 

Besides, both you and I know in Oz certainly HiFi dealers are up there with used car salesmen on the honesty scale  Smile .

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Well, you live and learn as they say Smile I would have liked to have heard the speakers beforehand but came across a single pair of them online from a hifi shop for a little over £600 and realised i didnt have time to hang about! My reasoning was that if i wasnt happy with them for whatever reason then i would be able to sell them for at least the same money i paid for them, and i believe i can still do that. I did seek 'advice' from reviewers though and had read no less than 5 articles before committing, so it wasn't quite as blind as it may appear. The guy with the Q1's (you know, the speakers with all the bass Wink ) recommended them to me too saying they sounded amazing. He believed they sounded better than his but mine don't. That to me means something is wrong.

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RE: KEF LS50 disappointment :(

altruistic.lemon wrote:

ddc, maybe the speakers aren't for him, but surely you're not saying that an old and unsuitable AV amp should be used with this calibre of equipment?? If you are, then it calls a lot of your other advice into question, mate.You say ask your dealer, but I'd question that if that's the sort of advice a dealer's going to give.

 

Besides, both you and I know in Oz certainly HiFi dealers are up there with used car salesmen on the honesty scale  Smile .

 

An AV amp will work fine if it is powerful enough. The KEFs are bass light, as are all small stand mounters, if you look at the Stereophile response curve it is very obvious. I think a sub is essential with these if anything resembling deep bass is required. 

That said, it would be a good idea to check the speakers are wired in phase.

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RE: KEF LS50 disappointment :(

altruistic.lemon wrote:

ddc, maybe the speakers aren't for him, but surely you're not saying that an old and unsuitable AV amp should be used with this calibre of equipment?? If you are, then it calls a lot of your other advice into question, mate.You say ask your dealer, but I'd question that if that's the sort of advice a dealer's going to give.

 

Besides, both you and I know in Oz certainly HiFi dealers are up there with used car salesmen on the honesty scale  Smile .

Hi altruistic.lemon

The DSP-A3090 has perfectly good two channel performance Smile and one which i prefer over some dedicated modern stereo amplifiers.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Musicraft (Derby) - Specialist Hi-Fi, AV & Multimedia dealer

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RE: KEF LS50 disappointment :(

Couldn't agree more. Its a small speaker of small internal volume with a small cone. No amplifier no matter what the price can defy physics.

The situation is probably made worse with a well constructed cabinet and frequency response that doesn't hype upper bass as many cheaper (and some expensive ones) do.

It is simply a well made, good measuring small standmount near a way a studio monitor would measure. - I haven't heard it but the better Kef's have always erred on the neutral side of things. Add a sub.

As to AV receivers not being able to sound good in stereo ... its just a misconception. Not all are cut from the same cloth but the same goes for 'stereo only' stuff.

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RE: KEF LS50 disappointment :(

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ddc, maybe the speakers aren't for him, but surely you're not saying that an old and unsuitable AV amp should be used with this calibre of equipment?? If you are, then it calls a lot of your other advice into question, mate.You say ask your dealer, but I'd question that if that's the sort of advice a dealer's going to give.

 

Besides, both you and I know in Oz certainly HiFi dealers are up there with used car salesmen on the honesty scale  Smile .

Oi! i used to work for a few dealers in Sydney...... :shame:

Actually you are probably right, some of them probably aspire to be used car salesmen...... :twisted:

To be honest i'm not familiar with the amp/reciever but then I am pretty sure you would know what my 'over the top' opinion is of mass market product of this type, hence my comments that the LS50s were a poor choice.

There are still some good independent dealers in the UK but an awful lot of them stay well clear from the budget end of the market, leaving it to the 'boxshifters'. This is a shame as the OP clearly needs to be taken through a few basics with the differences that different types of equipment make actually demonstrated to him in a clear and unbiased manner. Pretty hard to do these days though I am sure some on here know dealers who could do just that

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There is a dealer near me called 'Phase 3' - will see if i can hear any of their speakers to get a comparison. Am disappointed that the whathifi review didnt state the lack of bass. It said it has excellent bass for the size but actually there are many cheaper speakers that have better bass for the size so why not just say so? I've owned Kefs before and pretty soon you realise that bass is not what these speakers are about. But the latest whathifi review IMO leads us to believe that Kef have developed some speakers that can do decent bass as well and thats simply not true.

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RE: KEF LS50 disappointment :(

TrevC wrote:

An AV amp will work fine if it is powerful enough.

This.^^^

 

Take your speakers to a dealers and try some more powerful amps.  Maybe your amp isn't powerful enough, maybe your speakers aren't working properly, maybe you just don't like the way they sound.  You can (and will) get all sorts of advice on here, the only way forward is to find out for yourself what the problem is because everyone here is just guessing.

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RE: KEF LS50 disappointment :(

like i've said before...you should check my post before buying ls50...

 

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/kef-ls-50-impressions

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There is a dealer near me called 'Phase 3' - will see if i can hear any of their speakers to get a comparison. Am disappointed that the whathifi review didnt state the lack of bass. It said it has excellent bass for the size but actually there are many cheaper speakers that have better bass for the size so why not just say so? I've owned Kefs before and pretty soon you realise that bass is not what these speakers are about. But the latest whathifi review IMO leads us to believe that Kef have developed some speakers that can do decent bass as well and thats simply not true.

Actually there are not, there are plenty of cheaper speakers that have more bass, but that is not the same thing at all.

 

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There is a dealer near me called 'Phase 3' - will see if i can hear any of their speakers to get a comparison. Am disappointed that the whathifi review didnt state the lack of bass. It said it has excellent bass for the size but actually there are many cheaper speakers that have better bass for the size so why not just say so? I've owned Kefs before and pretty soon you realise that bass is not what these speakers are about. But the latest whathifi review IMO leads us to believe that Kef had developed some which could add this string to their bow when it clearly hasnt

Before writing off the bass as insufficient, you need to hear them correctly set up, with a decent source and properly driven .....you might just be surprised.

I agree with those who say that if you want to keep the speakers, you will likely have to change your amp, and ultimately upgrade your source.

"We should no more let numbers define audio quality than we should let chemical analysis be the arbiter of fine wines."  Nelson Pass

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RE: KEF LS50 disappointment :(

Craig M. wrote:

TrevC wrote:

An AV amp will work fine if it is powerful enough.

This.^^^

 

Take your speakers to a dealers and try some more powerful amps.  Maybe your amp isn't powerful enough, maybe your speakers aren't working properly, maybe you just don't like the way they sound.  You can (and will) get all sorts of advice on here, the only way forward is to find out for yourself what the problem is because everyone here is just guessing.

My work coleague is currently using a Sonos unit for amplification and he couldn't be happier. Perhaps this is a simple case of the product not matching the customers expectations?

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Sounds like my system, NAIM audio hooked up to Monitor Audio RS5's as you crank it up the sound is so bright you need sunglasses! Am auditioning some concept 20"s on Tuesday (budget won't allow anything better) and will let you know how i get on Wink

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davedotco wrote:

Actually there are not, there are plenty of cheaper speakers that have more bass, but that is not the same thing at all.

I have some speakers in my car that are just 'thump, thump, thump' and i hate them. I wish the bass was tighter, punchier and the vocals clearer.

I'd hoped for something similar with the Kefs. 

Something with brilliant clarity but also able to be tight and punchy on the bass front.

The RF'5's had it but these LS50's do not.

Maybe i just misunderstood the review.

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Peptdi wrote:

Sounds like my system, NAIM audio hooked up to Monitor Audio RS5's as you crank it up the sound is so bright you need sunglasses! Am auditioning some concept 20"s on Tuesday (budget won't allow anything better) and will let you know how i get on Wink

Yes let me know.

I'm so disappointed, i dont have the budget to blow thousands. Saw these at a reduced price blah blah

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