I am a bit of a Kef freak. I own a pair of Kef Concertos from the 70s, 3 pairs of Q300 bookshelves and a pair of r500 floorstanders.I've owned the Q900 floorstanders too but sold them a while back. I also used to own the Ref 104ab.
Whilst I really wanted to love the LS50s, I actually can agree with the 'sitting there with blank faces' comment. Something about the sound of the LS50s just doesn't do it for me, at all. It's like it's missing something. It's especially apparent if you want to hear huge orchestral textures or mid to lower strings and lower brass
I borrowed a pair of these off a mate of mine because I was considering them for my bedroom but in the end I didn't purchase them as they seemed to have 'no love' in the sound. I actually much prefer the sound of the cheaper Q300s and can reccomend these wholheartedly as an alternative. I use these in a 5.1 configuration with 1 acting as a center channel.
Anyway just my opinion and I know there are die hard LS50 fans everywhere but the speakers also show up in the 2nd hand market very often,
Will be interested to hear how you go!
Sorry Mark, not trying to be rude but sometimes, when you do not know what you are doing and simply don't understand why things are sounding the way they are, it is best to get the help of a decent dealer.
You need someone who will take you through some of the basics and show you what makes a difference and what kind of equipment will give you the sound that you are looking for. Given some of your comments above I think you would have struggled to buy a more inappropriate pair of speakers than the LS50s, for your requirements anyway.
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And these towns all look the same,
We just pass the time in our hotel room
And wander 'round backstage,
Till the lights come up, and we hear that crowd,
And we remember why we came.
for now i think you need to stay put, don't think in new amp!
To get a solution at this time should be a step by step process, through elimination of factors.
- you have the speakers on stands
- the stands are fill with sand
Points to work out
- try the speaker with a new amp at a decent dealer they will get
the best of them for you and you can see if they are for you or not.
After that you can think in what ever you want.
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Is that amp a home theatre jobbie? If so, can it and get a decent NAD stereo amp. that'll make a world of difference.
As well as Naim being recommended, so has Creek (50A), Arcam (A19), Rega (Brio R), Musical Fidelity (M3i), Exposure (2010 S2) and Harman Kardon (HK990)....to name but a few.
A little more expensive - Unison Research (Unico Primo), Electrcompaniet (PI-1), Denson (B-110 Plus), Leema (Elements) and Audio Analogue (Puccini Settanta Rev.2).
So please don't buy the Naim without listening to some alternatives (with your speakers)......that will give you some personal perspective (which can't be given by someone else with any degree of certainty).
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Ok, thanks for all responses.
Will try them out on my friends amp to begin with and then see if i can borrow a decent amp from a local dealer and get it set up by them to see how its sounding.
Funny you should mention the cinema amp, i had wondered if perhaps it was the wrong kind of amp.
The LS50s are pretty revealing of weaknesses up stream from them, be it amp, source or bit rate.
Well the LS50 are not very sensitive and IMO need good amplification, the Q1 are more sensitive and can get away with a less quality amp. I think if you want your LS50 to sound good then you need to spend quite a lot on an amp, the NAim is not the most powerful amp so not sure thats the answer. To be honest I think you should sell them and buy some Q1s or similar.
Klipsch RF-5' are large floorstanders, so if you want something like that you could look at some FS maybe Epos or Tannoys?
Don't worry about ddc, mate, he tends to get a bit over the top at times.
Seriously, though, that yammie is the last amp to use with quality speakers. I'm not a fan of those kefs, but what they're doing is revealing weaknesses of the amp. Generally, home theatre amps and quality speakers are a bit of a no no. See if you can borrow a proper stereo amp from a dealer at around the 80w mark and give it a go. Think you'll be stunned at the difference.
Advice from a competent dealer who can demonstrate the differences and help you to find what works for you, not some mates who are 'into hi-fi' and may or may not know what they are doing.
Not the same thing at all.
I think he meant before you bought them. It seems you bought them on the back of a review and recommendation which IMHO is not the way to do it. I would either change the amp or speakers but go to a decent dealer (not richers) and try various systems out.
Thanks for your response, Dave.Yes speakers set to 'large' and bass output to 'speakers', havent got a sub. I'm a bit of a technophobe so i had a friend who's much more clued up than me to get out the manual and go into the settings. Will ask local dealer as advised. To be honest i really didnt imagine it would be this complicated. I have a reasonably good amp which ran the RF-5's very nicely, i bought the stands and cables etc and then asked friends who are into hifi to do the setup for me. Dont know how a previous poster could say i didnt follow or ask for advice.
My Yamaha AV amp (can't remember the model) has a 'music direct' or 'audio direct' (may have that wrong) option which defeats all the funny AV circuits. I think this does make a difference -- though i doubt that this alone will solve your particular problem.
What classical music are you listening to?
Not if he wants it to sound like a car stereo or a pair of Klipsch he won't......
And Al, I appreciate that the modern way is to blame the messenger but when the OP has already spent good money on a pair of inappropriate speakers and is considering blowing a similar amount on an equally inappropriate amplifier I thought I was being pretty restrained....
Edit for lousy spelling.
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