Doh! I bet you're right there.
They were both off the 'Gold' album and the cover picture on Spotify is the same one as on my CD cover.
There's two versions of those as well lol, an early version which possibly is your CD and the new version, probably what's on Spotify.
I've got the Stevie Wonder 'The Definitive Collection' CD here which is a 2002 version the same as the one on Spotify. Do you think the would ge a good choice to try?
Certainly worth a go mate!
Main system: Mac Mini 2011 > HRT II+ DAC • Cyrus 2 & PSX • Cyrus tuner • MS 10i speakers [on loan]
Also cluttering-up the place: Thorens TD160 (no cart) • Marantz CD 63 mkII KI & PM66 KI • Technics SL-P777 • Nakamichi DR-1
So what are the chances that you amp is the limitation here? Have you tried the Denon's with a dedicated headphone amplifier? You may find a world of difference.
I have 3 differect DACs connected between the same source, amp and speakers and they all have different charactaristics.We re talking here about just the DAC element with exactly the same source, digital, bit perfect copies of the original CD or DVD-A.
When it comes to the CD transport which is basically a physical platform that rotates an object, they should be able to get that right on a 20 quid CD player. You would be better off throwing away the CD part and concentrating on what makes a difference, the DAC part. I would nt be surprised if all of those 3 products you mentioned used the same DAC's, I mean texas instruments makes a large proportion of the chips out there.
Also I wold not bother conducting "tests" with any mp3 or Spotify content. You are just wasting your time. Do a serious comparison with the original CD and an identical copy WAV file ripped properly (most software will not do this right).
Ah right, so you can spot the difference immediately, easily and obviously with a 320kbps rip and a CD or WAV file then?
Onkyo TX-NR818 / Tannoy Revolution DC4 (bi-amped)
AVI Laboratory Series CD Player
Using different audio file types won't change the volume level, the dynamic range range or have an effect like a graphic equalizer.
What you were seeing with that ABBA song is probably just two different versions that have been mastered to sound different to each other.
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Yep, I have a Musical Fidelity X-CAN 8. The differences between this amp and the headphones out of my Marantz amp and both cd players are minimal. A tiny amount of extra bloom because of the tubes used.
I have compared AIFF files as well and as said earlier, I made a direct comparison between the V-DAC and that of my CD player, using the same CD of course.
The DAC's used are different. Marantz CD5000 uses a Philips TDA1549, Marantz CD6000Ki: SM 872, and V-DAC: Burr Brown DSD1796
320kbps ripped in high quality vs FLAC or WAV is trickier to spot but anything below 320 and the difference is noticable.
320 vs FLAC with a side by side switching between the two directly and there is a difference. Got my wife to assist with a blind test on this and I even tried it on her. Luckliy she is capable of putting up with a lot of nonsense and still has a sense of humour about it! 320 MP3 high quality is ok and would be acceptable, but would still rather get the 16/44.1 copy, or even better 24/96. And before you ask, there is no difference between 96 and 192 unless you have a super tweeter and a dog.
Last week I swapped outh a Burr Brown DAC with a Wolfson DAC on the NAD 375BEE and Focal Chorus floorstanders. My wife and her mother actually commented that there was a difference in sound without me even mentioning that I was mucking about with it. Totally difference balance between the top end and the mid bass between the two.
If you are happy with lossy formats and cannot hear the difference then good for you. You just saved yourself time and energy and dramatically increased your scope of media.
Here's the Spotify vs CD comparison for the song 'Superstition' by Stevie Wonder.
With this song the volume level and dynamic range are a match so this is a good indication that both the Spotify and CD tracks are from the same master version of the song (unlike the ABBA tracks on page 3 which are probably two differently mastered versions).
Again with this one the highest frequencies on the CD version are 1kHz higher than the Spotify version but as before this is occuring at 21kHz so this difference wouldn't be audiable to humans. Apart from that there are some very slight variations between them but they're almost identical to each other.
Based on these results I'd say it's doubtful that Spotify uses a graphic equalizer to modifiy the sound.
At least one of those DACs is a Texas Instruments one (Burr Brown was bought by TI). Maybe all this means is that Musical Fidelity tends to sound similar to Marantz. Two headphone amps and three sources from 2 manufacturers and all around the same price/quality.
I would be interested to give this a shot myself but I think it is too far a grasp to make broad conclusions about CD players and DAC based on three comparisons. Someone please send the OP a NAIM CD5 XS or similar and then we can try this again.
In my experience, they certainly don't all sound the same. Switching directly between (same amp/interconnects) my Rotel RCD850 and my (modified) Marantz CD63KI, there's a wealth of difference. The Rotel is cleaner, with more detail and a wider soundstage, but lacks the punch, warmth and attack of the Marantz. Pink Floyd's 3 track "Brick in the wall" sounds flat and uninvolving on the Rotel, but comes alive with the Marantz.
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Rotel RCD865 - RTC850L/RB850 (pre/power)
There was an error with the Spotify recordings that I made last night. They had the high frequencies above 17.5kHz cut off because of a setting that was used in the sound driver recording software. I have now re-recorded them using the correct settings and updated the two posts with the pictures in them which now show the correct results.
Take these frequency analysis results with a pinch of salt though because I'm still unsure of how accurate the PCs sound driver software is at recording (it has to convert the Spotify ogg vorbis file to whatever MS Windows uses and I think it also gets resampled by Windows too. Once this is done the sound driver recording software converts it to a WAV file for analysis in Audacity).
But is that the dac or the transport. I think there are difference when I demo Arcam v Marantz the Marantz was far better.
I tried Spotify and Rdio v MArantz 63SE and I could not tell the difference.
Going forward I will buy a Blu-ray dvd player.
Straight to the bottom of the page, you must be mutt and jeff.
I have 2 Audio Analogue CDP in the rack, Rossini VT REV 2, and a Maestro, the first of the big box Maestro.(2001)
The Maestro uses a Philips VAM / VAL1250 loader, laser.
Spares are non existant, Philips stopped producing lasers. Before any one starts, yes you can buy VAM1250 lasers on E Bay, there carp, cheap knock offs and they dont work. You have to use an original VAM 1250
OK. I had to replace the laser in the Maestro and the only way to replace was to find a suitable doner machine.
Marantz DR4050, twin deck recorder from about 2003, about £350 when new, the Maestro in 2001 was aprox £1800.
Deck one uses a Vam 1250, whats in the Marantz is in the Maestro, same laser, loader, it,s all stock Philips.
Sound the same, right, no they dont, down to DACS, power supply ,components, even the other half can spot the difference, the Maestro is on another planet compared to the Marantz.
Pro-Ject 6.1 SB. Denon DL160. Musical Fidelity. A1 FBP. Lyngdorf. SDA2175. Audio Analogue. Maestro. Digital Audio Processor. Rossini VT Rev 2. Audiovector. Mi3 Super.
Two such different sounding digital sources are either specifically designed to sound so, or are compromised by design or defect. There really should not be any major audible difference between digital sources.
The clue is in the name of the hobby, 'hi-fi' for high fidelity, at least one of your CD players is most certainly not if it sounds so different from the other.
Mac mini > AVI ADM9Ts
Ok, I am a fool, I'll admit it.
There are differences between the V-DAC MKII and my Marantz CD5000 and CD6000KI. But the funny thing is that this is more audible with (very) simple material. With complex orchestral works from the likes of Mahler or Bartok or busy over-produced pop the only difference I perceive is a tad more texture in the lows, in favour of the CD5000 (which was criticized at the time for the lack of bass in most magazines, which is funny), the CD6000KI and the V-DAC are similar, not to say identical, maybe the CD6000KI has more bass bloom.
But with simple material, like the slow movements of Bach's Brandenburg concertos, where only a violin, recorder and clavecin play the V-DAC has the edge over the CD5000 and CD6000KI in that the sound has more body (weight) and warmth, and is softer overall. Especially the CD5000 sounds more delicate, you could say 'cleaner', or 'empty' in comparison. With very good recordings the CD5000 can have the edge because the bass is more textured, but overall the V-DAC has the better sound, in my opinion.
So there you have it. I may be imagining all this, but who cares?
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