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Its the Linear Power Supply powering part of the audio Pc thats my point of initial interest - placing the LPSU ontop of a thick slab of ploystyrene has made a positive difference - therefore a  properly designed solution should benefit far greater

 

Thanks for the sensible suggestions - ordered the ion hair dryer and am hoping it will help with my hair loss therapy.

 

I have reposted the above to try and bring some sense back to the thread.  The snake oil brigade do really get on my mits - why bother posting stick to threads you are more interested in, that you can bring positive messages to.

 

Personally I just can't bear to see nonsense being promulgated.  Others can speak for themselves.

Chris

PS I had to Google "hard knee house curve".  Wonderful stuff.

 

No Nonsense here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour

Hard knee house curve is based on solid facts - humans dont hear bass in a linear fashion, all say they want a flat freq reponse but the reality is the deeper the bass the more volume is needed for it be audible at the same volume.  A flat freq response is not actually flat in how you hear it.

Therefore a curved bass setup actually works better - and followinng the advice you set it up to your ears

The hard knee house curve addresses the issue of bloated bass caused by a standard house curve - once you have your system setup like this I doubt you could ever go back as you could hear where the bass is severly lacking.

I don't know what to say to you!

Chris

 

And to you - you clearly have not looked this up - if you did you would realise that I am 100% right.

In fact you can test it yourself - play a 90hz test tone - then play a 30hz test tone - I would wager all I own that the 30 hz tone will sound a lot quiter to you than the 90hz.  You might noit have 30hz in your room or it will probably be modal so maybe try 35hz

If you also look at how Anthem Processors and the new receivers setup the sound its in a similar way - thats because of actual official studies that have been done that prove that this sounds best.  Technically it makes sense as well.

You can write it off thinking you know best - but at the same time your missing out!

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ellisdj wrote:

Bloody snake oil brigade

Bloody foo brigade :wave:  :grin:

 

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Lindsay T - just because you put your.... (tuncated)

 

and I've tried it and found it made no difference whatsoever.  So where does that leave us?

 

What about the fact that the article you were harping on about was written pre solid state playback devices?  What if I linked to an article from 1966 that said that we all needed to wear tin foil hats to get rid of the radiation which is affecting the sound.  Does that hold any weight today?

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Cheese you must try the  Acoustic Revive RR-77LessLoss Blackbody and  Intelligent Box before casting any premature judgments! 

And please don't mock Machina Dynamica because they are an award winning business. Just click the first link on this list and see for yourself.

 

Carry on.

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This is where I think the main divide of opinion comes - from me and others, I often disagree with people on here.

The environment where I did the blind testing was done was completely controlled acoustic treated room - that is also there best I have heard a hifi sound from an imaging point of view.  It was possible to clearly make out all members of a band within their space and there was silence inbetween them which gave them their space.  This playback was not perfect I know now but it opened my eyes to what is possible for audio playvback and what surprisingly makes a difference - is actually not snake oil at all

I have heard lots of different systems since - nothing gets close to that what I heard that day - why because the environment these systems are in is not as good  and are killing the sound even £££££££££££££ worth of kit - sounding garbage.

 

After hearing the system that I became hell bent on getting that sound at home (as close as I can) - and looked to improve the acoustics of my room.  This makes more of a difference than anything else you can spend your money on.  Simple as that.

So here is my point - I see picture after picture after picture of peoples system in hollow rooms, wood floor all looking pretty but I know for a fact that any system in that room will sound hindered by a huge % as much as 100% by the room

So the acoustic environment people do their testing is killing the testing - because the person is hearing the room in the first place and not the kit.

Hard fact but a true fact.

So they say cables, isolation etc are all snake oil becuase in their room they heard no difference - fair enough but they are not factoring in the high % of influence their hearing of the room to start with and how much is being lost. 

So for them to say categorically these products make no difference is a false recommendation.

Instead they should say - I heard no difference in my room - and nut shun peoples work as a con

 

 

 

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Vladimir wrote:

  LessLoss Blackbody and  Intelligent Box before casting any premature judgments! 

 

 

I would only take this review with a pinch of salt anyway regardless of the products way out nature - that room he is in his acoustically horrendous - thats the most live room imagineable.

 

 

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This is where I think the main divide of opinion comes - from me and others, I often disagree with people on here.

The environment where I did the blind testing was done was completely controlled acoustic treated room - that is also there best I have heard a hifi sound from an imaging point of view.  It was possible to clearly make out all members of a band within their space and there was silence inbetween them which gave them their space.  This playback was not perfect I know now but it opened my eyes to what is possible for audio playvback and what surprisingly makes a difference - is actually not snake oil at all

I have heard lots of different systems since - nothing gets close to that what I heard that day - why because the environment these systems are in is not as good  and are killing the sound even £££££££££££££ worth of kit - sounding garbage.

 

After hearing the system that I became hell bent on getting that sound at home (as close as I can) - and looked to improve the acoustics of my room.  This makes more of a difference than anything else you can spend your money on.  Simple as that.

So here is my point - I see picture after picture after picture of peoples system in hollow rooms, wood floor all looking pretty but I know for a fact that any system in that room will sound hindered by a huge % as much as 100% by the room

So the acoustic environment people do their testing is killing the testing - because the person is hearing the room in the first place and not the kit.

Hard fact but a true fact.

So they say cables, isolation etc are all snake oil becuase in their room they heard no difference - fair enough but they are not factoring in the high % of influence their hearing of the room to start with and how much is being lost.

y'see, I agree with that, and most people on here would, so not sure why you're saying about disagreement.  The bizarre thing is that you're diving in recommending to people about changing cables, championing this that and the other, which imho is foo, but yours is not, when you've just admitted it yourself that it's probably the room a lot of the time that's the issue :?  Maybe if we could concentrate more on people taking stock of where they are playing, rather than what they are playing with it would be a good start Smile

 

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So for them to say categorically these products make no difference is a false recommendation.

Instead they should say - I heard no difference in my room - and nut shun peoples work as a con

not necessarily. There are products that we can categorically prove that they make no difference, yet people still say they do....

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ellisdj, my floors are carpeted, suspended wooden.

 

So with my solid state amps (and my analogue sources and speakers) on the floor, £3.49 (or free) interconnects, 15 metre long £2.20 per stereo metre speaker cable, original speaker terminal jumpers which resemble pitted old paper-clips my system must sound quite ordinary at best, even if it uses pretty good sources, amp and speakers?

 

Does that mean that you'd be confident that if we got your tweaked system and mine together, that you'd be confident that yours would sound better?

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Bloody snake oil brigade

 

That's you, isn't it?  I'm happy with the unbreakable laws of physics and Ohms law. No snake oil for me.

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ellisdj wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

ellisdj wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

ellisdj wrote:

ellisdj wrote:

Its the Linear Power Supply powering part of the audio Pc thats my point of initial interest - placing the LPSU ontop of a thick slab of ploystyrene has made a positive difference - therefore a  properly designed solution should benefit far greater

 

Thanks for the sensible suggestions - ordered the ion hair dryer and am hoping it will help with my hair loss therapy.

 

I have reposted the above to try and bring some sense back to the thread.  The snake oil brigade do really get on my mits - why bother posting stick to threads you are more interested in, that you can bring positive messages to.

 

Personally I just can't bear to see nonsense being promulgated.  Others can speak for themselves.

Chris

PS I had to Google "hard knee house curve".  Wonderful stuff.

 

No Nonsense here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour

Hard knee house curve is based on solid facts - humans dont hear bass in a linear fashion, all say they want a flat freq reponse but the reality is the deeper the bass the more volume is needed for it be audible at the same volume.  A flat freq response is not actually flat in how you hear it.

Therefore a curved bass setup actually works better - and followinng the advice you set it up to your ears

The hard knee house curve addresses the issue of bloated bass caused by a standard house curve - once you have your system setup like this I doubt you could ever go back as you could hear where the bass is severly lacking.

I don't know what to say to you!

Chris

 

And to you - you clearly have not looked this up - if you did you would realise that I am 100% right.

In fact you can test it yourself - play a 90hz test tone - then play a 30hz test tone - I would wager all I own that the 30 hz tone will sound a lot quiter to you than the 90hz.  You might noit have 30hz in your room or it will probably be modal so maybe try 35hz

If you also look at how Anthem Processors and the new receivers setup the sound its in a similar way - thats because of actual official studies that have been done that prove that this sounds best.  Technically it makes sense as well.

You can write it off thinking you know best - but at the same time your missing out!

The problem is that you think you understand what you are saying but actually you don't.  Sad but there is nothing I can say that will change that.

Chris

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Lindsay T where do you live?

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Covenanter wrote:

ellisdj wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

ellisdj wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

ellisdj wrote:

ellisdj wrote:

Its the Linear Power Supply powering part of the audio Pc thats my point of initial interest - placing the LPSU ontop of a thick slab of ploystyrene has made a positive difference - therefore a  properly designed solution should benefit far greater

 

Thanks for the sensible suggestions - ordered the ion hair dryer and am hoping it will help with my hair loss therapy.

 

I have reposted the above to try and bring some sense back to the thread.  The snake oil brigade do really get on my mits - why bother posting stick to threads you are more interested in, that you can bring positive messages to.

 

Personally I just can't bear to see nonsense being promulgated.  Others can speak for themselves.

Chris

PS I had to Google "hard knee house curve".  Wonderful stuff.

 

No Nonsense here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour

Hard knee house curve is based on solid facts - humans dont hear bass in a linear fashion, all say they want a flat freq reponse but the reality is the deeper the bass the more volume is needed for it be audible at the same volume.  A flat freq response is not actually flat in how you hear it.

Therefore a curved bass setup actually works better - and followinng the advice you set it up to your ears

The hard knee house curve addresses the issue of bloated bass caused by a standard house curve - once you have your system setup like this I doubt you could ever go back as you could hear where the bass is severly lacking.

I don't know what to say to you!

Chris

 

And to you - you clearly have not looked this up - if you did you would realise that I am 100% right.

In fact you can test it yourself - play a 90hz test tone - then play a 30hz test tone - I would wager all I own that the 30 hz tone will sound a lot quiter to you than the 90hz.  You might noit have 30hz in your room or it will probably be modal so maybe try 35hz

If you also look at how Anthem Processors and the new receivers setup the sound its in a similar way - thats because of actual official studies that have been done that prove that this sounds best.  Technically it makes sense as well.

You can write it off thinking you know best - but at the same time your missing out!

The problem is that you think you understand what you are saying but actually you don't.  Sad but there is nothing I can say that will change that.

Chris

 

Have you tried it - have you actually looked it up - I think you will find that is bang on correct what I am saying.

I cant believe you either - even when faced with facts such as this- http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar11/articles/how-the-ear-works.htm

 

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ellisdj wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

ellisdj wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

ellisdj wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

ellisdj wrote:

ellisdj wrote:

Its the Linear Power Supply powering part of the audio Pc thats my point of initial interest - placing the LPSU ontop of a thick slab of ploystyrene has made a positive difference - therefore a  properly designed solution should benefit far greater

 

Thanks for the sensible suggestions - ordered the ion hair dryer and am hoping it will help with my hair loss therapy.

 

I have reposted the above to try and bring some sense back to the thread.  The snake oil brigade do really get on my mits - why bother posting stick to threads you are more interested in, that you can bring positive messages to.

 

Personally I just can't bear to see nonsense being promulgated.  Others can speak for themselves.

Chris

PS I had to Google "hard knee house curve".  Wonderful stuff.

 

No Nonsense here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour

Hard knee house curve is based on solid facts - humans dont hear bass in a linear fashion, all say they want a flat freq reponse but the reality is the deeper the bass the more volume is needed for it be audible at the same volume.  A flat freq response is not actually flat in how you hear it.

Therefore a curved bass setup actually works better - and followinng the advice you set it up to your ears

The hard knee house curve addresses the issue of bloated bass caused by a standard house curve - once you have your system setup like this I doubt you could ever go back as you could hear where the bass is severly lacking.

I don't know what to say to you!

Chris

 

And to you - you clearly have not looked this up - if you did you would realise that I am 100% right.

In fact you can test it yourself - play a 90hz test tone - then play a 30hz test tone - I would wager all I own that the 30 hz tone will sound a lot quiter to you than the 90hz.  You might noit have 30hz in your room or it will probably be modal so maybe try 35hz

If you also look at how Anthem Processors and the new receivers setup the sound its in a similar way - thats because of actual official studies that have been done that prove that this sounds best.  Technically it makes sense as well.

You can write it off thinking you know best - but at the same time your missing out!

The problem is that you think you understand what you are saying but actually you don't.  Sad but there is nothing I can say that will change that.

Chris

 

Have you tried it - have you actually looked it up - I think you will find that is bang on correct what I am saying.

I cant believe you either - even when faced with facts such as this- http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar11/articles/how-the-ear-works.htm

 

I don't need to try everything to know when it is nonsense!  You can't buck basic physics however hard you try to believe.

But you carry on.  Spending money is good for the economy whatever it is spent on.

Chris

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Chris - that is spending no money - its just setting up the system in a certain way.  And knowing what your speakers / sub is actually doing in your room.  Do you have any idea what your speakers are doing in your room at your listening position - have you measured this?

Its just spending time,.learning and attention to detail like I said before.  If I try something and it doesnt work out then I dont use it.  But somethings you find out are game changers and the hard knee is one of them. 

If it was called something else like an optimum curve - you would  maybe see it differently, or if it came from WHF as the next best thing to - because its called a house curve you think 18 yr old essex boy car bass.

Its not like at all - I get transparent, accurate, textured, controlled bass thats fast and goes deep with conviction for the most part.

The bass is one of the best bits of my system - within the limits of my room

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I like music.

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