For over 20 years now albums have been mastered in such a way as to make them sound louder and louder. Fortunately the techniques that get applied to CD cannot be used to the same extent on Vinyl as the medium is'nt capable of producing anywhere near the same kind of noise levels.
As a result the Vinyl version of a modern album will generally sound vastly superior to its CD equivalent. A good recent example is Red Hot Chilli Peppers' Stadium Arcadium. The CD sounds mushy and quite distorted whereas the vinyl is well defined, punchy and above all clear as a bell.
I dare say there have been other posts about the "loudness war" as its been called but it doesnt suprise me that more and more people are digging out their vinyl cos they are fed up of butchered CD's.
I'm itching to get hold of Mastodon's The Hunter on Vinyl, should be epic!
first time I'm hearing this. I thought vinyl enthusiasts always say that modern LPs are pointless as the masering will have been digital rather than analogue.
There seem to more turntables in hi-fi shops than I've seen in about 20 years. Now don't get me wrong, I can understand someone who has a large collection of vinyl or someone collecting rare records wanting to make the most of their investment by buying a decent deck. What I don't understand is the craze teens have for new vinyl - a mate said recently that some kids believe that the only true way to listen to music is on record. Now records make sense when the original recording format is analogue, but with more and more music being recorded digitally I can only see records detracting from the original sound - why add in all kinds of mechanical problems into the delivery of music when they don't need to be present?
Am I the only one that thinks this way??
I do partly agree with you, I am one of those 'teens' you are talking about.....not a teen anymore though . I bought a Kings of Leon record which is digitally mastered and it sounded awful on vinyl but to me it does sound a bit better than the cd in direct comparison. I think the vinyl player removes some of the digital edge, I think many would agree. However, there are many artists that still master their records in analogue form, Norah Jones for example. So arguing that since all music nowadays is digitally recorded is I believe more subject to the genre, for example no use buying a pop record because of the way it is recorded. Jazz on the other hand makes more sense.
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That might just be the funniest audiophile joke I've heard of late
It would be good if there was some industry-wide quality standard for vinyl (new releases at least).
Given that they always charge for vinyl at least double the price that a CD costs, and is only about £1 more to produce, I think that we're starting to reach "rip-off" stage.
Some new vinyl sounds great, and some sounds rubbish, but we punters can't know that until we get it on the turntable.
If I'm going to spend £20 on a new vinyl record, then it should be of a very good sound quality, and also tell us in the description if it has a mp3/wav download voucher (rarely the case).
Is there a "naming and shaming" thread in the vinyl section for "ripoff" new vinyl? At least it warns others.
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I'll start one - I think it'd be very useful
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Yep, that sounds about right (sounds remarkably like one of your 'gems')
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Breaking my self-imposed rule of not replying to you anymore: I would never have started a thread like this in the first place, if I'm not interested in something then I don't see the point in talking about it, which is why you'll generally never see me discussing TVs (I have a TV, so there's no need for to talk about them), or 3D (not interested in it) or CD players (don't have one, never will, nothing to discuss) etc. I don't see why the OP felt the need to start this thread, he's not interested in vinyl, that's fine, his choice, I have no opinion on that, but I don't see the need to criticize the format or people who listen to it just because he personally doesn't "get it".
That's right people, be afraid, *I'm* the voice of reason in this thread! A thread I will no longer be taking part in incidentally.
I think the phrase about him 'not getting it' could be what we're talking about here. Some people love the sound of vinyl - mention words like organic and musical and vinyl owners know what you're talking about, but I think to some people it sounds no different to them than their CD player, or their portable DAB radio. I'm not saying people who aren't into vinyl are deaf, but, like most things, some can appreciate it, some can't. Like art.
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It also depends on the quality of the gear you have - just like a magnifying glass versus an electron microscope.
A big HD tv will show up visual flaws and showcase great stuff, just as high quality turntable, speakers etc will show up aural flaws and excellence.
Just like wine - you're a quaffer or a savourer.
To the OP:
For me, the whole vinyl adulation is a bit silly, really. Side-by-side with other media, it has some advantages (large artworks to look at for hours, warm, sweet sound, etc) but a lot of inconveniences too (surface noise, vinyl deterioration no matter how good and careful you are with your stuff, less material available, and now overpricing to nonsense)
All in all I think LPs are a good hobby, but a hobby, not the ultimate audio experience
...with more and more music being recorded digitally I can only see records detracting from the original sound - why add in all kinds of mechanical problems into the delivery of music when they don't need to be present?
er no, I have been wondering this myself. All things being equal, I would have thought a CD player would sound better as the recording/mastering etc is in the digital domain and therefore a turntable is adding all sorts of "noise". However, things are not equal as has been stated above:
- the mastering and pressing of a vinyl record may actually be superior than CD.
- the DAC which transforms the original [digital] recording to analogue prior to pressing, is likely to be top notch, compared to the DAC in most people's homes.
That's 2 reasons why vinyl may sound "better" than CD. Any other ideas?
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There is that argument about hearing frequency beyond our ears capabilities by skull resonance or something. Im sure someone can fill in the blanks of my iffy statement. CD is capped at the range of human hearing, 20-20k hz, but Vinyl can go beyond this and some believe we can hear this range by alternate methods.
Doesn't quite answer the question, but on exactly this point, from the back of a 1965 Audio Fidelity Records jazz album I'm listening to right now...
"While the total frequency range of 16 cps to 25,000 cps on this record may not be within the range of ordinary human hearing, nevertheless inspection of the grooves with a microscope will show the etchings of the upper dynamic frequencies. It is the opinion of the manufacturer that if these frequencies were omitted from this recording a certain warmth of tone that is felt and sensed rather than heard would be lost."
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