I don't know whether that's a wind-up, but I would suggest that the system sounds better now than it did when I first put the new cables on. However, that may well be due to other effects - speakers were still new-ish (run for maybe 150 hours) and my 'getting used to' the sound.
Old cable connectors were cleaned prior to use.
Now that really is it from me.
Any advice for the OP on coax cables?
I think that you should also consider a basic cable (like the ones with yellow coloured RCA connectors supplied with some DVD/Blu Ray players).
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
Musicraft (Derby), Specialist Hi-Fi/AV & Multimedia Dealer
good accurate audio monitoring and good sound reproduction to all
Here we go again. This sort of topic comes up every so often on different forums. Thought, for once, I'd comment. Life's too short and all, eh?
If I were a cable manufacturer, I think I'd resent the clear implication that the stuff I was producing at different price bands varied only in the cost of materials used to make it and the level of mark up I decided to charge on it. The implication is that such manufacturers are selling snake oil, and that the whole business model is to rip the consumer off with something that makes no appreciable difference in the sound, safe in the knowledge that the business will continue as purchasers will unknowingly condition themselves to accept that the cost of the cable means it must sound better in their set-up.
Happily, I'm not a cable manufacturer, but nor am I cynical enough to believe that the above is true. Perhaps that makes me gullible/misinformed, whatever, but there you go.
From personal experience, and from purchases, I do think cables can make a difference. I have noticed differences in the sound between cables. Now, whether this is perceived or actual, the impact from my perspective is the same, as I'm the one listening to the music through my system after all. I've sent cables back, mind you, and I've not gone mad - my most expensive interconnect cost £70 for 1m, and I've purchased considerably more expensive cables that I've sent back as I have not noticed any improvement in the sound.
Like all things hifi, in my experience, listening at home in your own system is the way to go. Demos at retailers are useful (in fact, sensible), but nothing beats listening at home over a protracted period of time. Hence, as advised by some posters on here, I only ever order cables from somewhere that has a clear and sensible returns policy. My suggestion to the OP is give it a try - scratch the itch, and then you can see what side of the fence you sit on in 'the great cable debate'.
I should fess up and say that only this week I purchased a .75m coax interconnect from Mark Grant Cables to try it out, following a recent DAC upgrade. It replaces a considerably more expensive award winning QED cable. It is early days, but my intial impressions favour the MG cable, and by some margin. I have a 30 day period in which to make a decision, given the standard money back guarantee operated by that company. I don't think I'll be troubling MG to take his cable back.
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quote] When I found that QED was selling a HiFI ethernet cable, I was convinced that at least some manafacturers at least are only concerned with selling snake oil to people who are simply ignorant of how the technology works. The problem is that a large number of systems now only require cheap digital interconnects that are massed produced and widely available. Those manafacturers who sold expensive analogue cables (where there is some difference) wanted to maintain their business so they started to produce ludicrously over priced digital cables (where there isn't, once you pass the "is it propely made barrier - about £5") because they thought (correctly) that many punters would fall for it.
When you bought a cable for 300 quid you just don't want to admit that it made no difference to the sound. That's the problem in my opinion.
Read this ; (very interesting)
So let me understand that to justify my expenditure i imagined a better quality product gave out a better sound and then came on WHF for reassurance.....
Ps i may appreciate quality but i am also not silly. i paid nothing for the cable. All i quoted was the rrp to give a reference.
Nice try though.
It's amazing (or maybe not) that whenever someone posts a cable question the amateur psychologists come on to claim that youi must be deluded. FWIW I've been through a similar comparison as you on interconnects, and was rather anoyed to find that better interconnects (Chord Chorus 2) did make a massive difference to my system. I put this down to the way interconnects effect the electrical characterisics of the source output and amplifier input stages; not surprising when equipment designers spend so much effort optimising their circuit board layouts. I agree with andyjm's comments on coax cables.
It's also amazing that every time someone bought a new cable the wife comes in and says ; Hey, the music sounds much better now.
Are wives cable experts ?
Yes she is Head of Quality at Atlas Cables.
Yes interconnects do make a difference, some noticeble some subtle, but even the subtle difference made can impact on the musical experience in terms of detail, decay, seperation, imaging. ( not a big fan of the Crimson plus myself although I have found for 5.1 sound reproduction - from DVD to reciever - its better than my QED quenex 1 and delivers more detail - it fails to deliver with music for me though)
I honestly would love to see and hear these nay sayers systems, some of them I'm sure need a good ear cleaning/syringing or have such dull sounding speakers/amps that no difference can be heard..
Digital cables I have found do sound different - equal to anolog interconnects as someone already pointed out any loss to your DAC will be heard if your ears are up to it. (I use a reciever for stereo playback and prefer the digital coax out on my CD player and have compared many cables even single legs of anolog pairs....lol... I love this stuff.
Like your misses (the op's) said better £100 than £700+
Why is it that only Hi Fi Nuts can hear differences in cables, when nobody else can? (And that includes those that make and produce the music you listen to)
Thats not true, every body can hear differences some will deny it though even if their bare arms were placed in fire.
I know one of the assistance at Superfi became a believer after I politely asked him to replace the cheapo cables for some Crimson plus to audition some amps for me then asking him to try said amp with some old Cambridge Pacific I had just in case - he was genuinly suprised at the difference the cables made.
I have also challenged the non belivers on this board to all link up with me and decend on a hifi dealer and see if we could test some cable....all made excuses and declined......doknowwhy.
What comes out of your hifi can never be better than what is recorded in the studio. Have you seen what sort of cables they use?
Regarding digital cables; exactly, or even vaguely, how do you think those ones and zeroes get modified by a cable?
Its just so ridiculous.
In answer to your question, BigH, they are these:
That is so wrong what you get in a studio is mixed , remixed and then mixed again and mixed one more time just in case. by the time it is pressed and in your stereo it sounds far far superior to what you would have heard in a studio. and trust me those little changes do make a big difference to the music.
its like a note that last 5secs from front edge to final decay, now say the final bit of said note went down 5hz (for argument) now say one cable isn't as 'pure' as another and for that reason it' does not deliver 5hz only goes down to 4hz so said note last 4.6secs
your brain will notice that loss of 0.4sec, those small differences is what you brain hears, and what makes the difference. the better the interconnect (not just cost) the more/better signal is recieved and amplified the better/different these things sound.
You don't believe try this - set your fav track on repeat play when you set A and B points miss the first second of the recording and tell me how jarring it becomes - just one second.
when you hear a full signal - trust me you'll notice when stuff is missing and thats me trying to explain why we can hear differences between cables...... maybe we actually listen.
You are joking, right?
No, I'm being dead serious, Subtle difference affect what is heard in a huge way - frankly I'm suprised you cannot accept how the different properties of cables will not have an effect on an electrical signal and that can be detected by the human brain - try that repeat play test and then think about what I said.
You have obviously never done any music mix or production or you wouldn’t come out with such a ridiculous statement as that. (Can’t wait to show the comment to the studios guys next week, they will be rolling all over the floor)
As to denying that cables sound different, you are denying that they don’t, hence it has no relevance to the post.
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