Ok Thanks. You have the Chord Chameleon plus not the Chord Chameleon silver plus?
It's amazing (or maybe not) that whenever someone posts a cable question the amateur psychologists come on to claim that youi must be deluded. FWIW I've been through a similar comparison as you on interconnects, and was rather anoyed to find that better interconnects (Chord Chorus 2) did make a massive difference to my system. I put this down to the way interconnects effect the electrical characterisics of the source output and amplifier input stages; not surprising when equipment designers spend so much effort optimising their circuit board layouts. I agree with andyjm's comments on coax cables.
It's also amazing that every time someone bought a new cable the wife comes in and says ; Hey, the music sounds much better now.
Are wives cable experts ?
What's the theory with not having another pair of speakers in the room at the same time?
Marantz CD63 KI - Onkyo TX-8050 - Ruark Talisman II/Ruark Icon/Mission 752F/Wharfedale 9.1/JPW Sonata/Tannoy DC4
Rotel RCD865 - RTC850L/RB850 (pre/power)
Do a blind test with your analogue cables and you will find no difference between them, (The only reason they appear to sound different is because you were expecting a difference, it’s just one of the many failings of the human body) and the same applies to digital.
Hope this helps
Dead right, couldn't agree more.
Errr...really? Interesting piece of research. Can't say it applies to me or anyone I know. It would be fascinating to know your sources.
My silver digital coax matches the colour of my kit and makes for a more stylish overall presentation. I've not compared it to the free cable I got, but the free cable is black and looks like rubbish.
"Stylish overall presentation"? I thought this was about TELEVISIONS and CABLES. Good grief.
Argh, mistake, sorry.
See post below plz...
Lounge : Samsung PS51E6500, Sony BDP S790, Virgin media XL, Onkyo TX-SR508,
Tannoy Arena 5.1 with stands.(http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/hi-fi-and-audio/hi-fi-and-av-speakers/tannoy-arena-96472/review)
Bed : Panasonic PX70 and a Sony BDP-370 Blu ray Player.
So far :)
That 'research' is based on the number of times in forum threads where; 'the wife' or 'the girlfriend' comes into a room and notices a difference in the sound without any prompting at all. That is then held up as 'proof-positive' that whatever piece of kit is the best thing since sliced etc. It is a very common phenomena in hifi/av circles.
Edit: Also Mr David, you have to get used to the --ahem-- sense of humour of many participants on here.
Apple Lossless - ATV3 - AVI ADM 40 also ATV3 into AVI ADM 9T [my wife's system]
and Grado SR80i
I agree 100%.
Would you not maybe think about say ...after a week of changing the wires back and then see if your wife again could notice any difference in sound ?
Whereas I completely DISAGREE, and have a personal experience of a perfect blind test to share. Here goes:
We have recently completed a house refurb and it allows for a new dedicated listening area, which I equipped with:
1) Audiolab 8200CDQ + wired airplay and iTunes;
2) Audiolab 8000M (x2);
3) PMC DB1i wall-mounted, connected using Chord Rumour cable.
Having spent quite a bit of money on new and second-hand kit, the sound being produced was not what I was expecting (Mainly a lack of bass and clarity), and so I began to experiment to determine the weak link[s]. Given my experience with Audiolab kit (I have a separate 8000S and 8000P elsewhere), I started with the speakers, thinking that their diminutive size was the problem. Having auditioned a number of speakers up to £1000, I settled on the Monitor Audio Silver RX6 and arranged a home audition with the very helpful and knowledeable chaps at Audio-T in Basingstoke. At the second of my visits to their shop, it was suggested that I might want to try some new interconnects, as the ones I was using were quite old and quite cheap (I think I paid about £15 for them 10+ years ago). I was unconvinced, but tried two others in the shop - Chord Chameleon Plus and Chord Anthem. I was blown away by the step up, and whilst there was a difference between the new Chord cables, I felt that the more expensive Anthem didn't justify the extra money. I settled on the the Chameleon Plus, and took them home wih the borrowed RX6s.
When I got home, I plugged in the new cables with the new speakers, and spent a long time listening. However, the bass was just too big for the room - exactly the opposite to the problem I had been having, but I was no closer to obtaining the 'perfect sound; I had been hoping for. I unplugged the RX6s (leaving them in place under the DB1is) and plugged the DB1is back in, now with the new interconnect in place. The difference was startling, but I knew that the new interconnects were in place, so no blind test here.
My wife then returned, having been out since I had unplugged the RX6s and reintroduced the DB1is. I was listening to the live acoustic version of "Hotel California" off the Eagles' "Hell Freezes Over" at the time. She sat down next to me and asked, "Which speakers are we listening to?". I responded "The little ones" (i.e. the DB1is). She asked, "What have you done?". I said, "Nothing". She said, "But it sounds much better." I said, "What's different?" She said "There is a LOT more bass, and it sounds clearer, too. I can hear sounds that I hadn't noticed before - the crowd sounds like they're in the room with us". I said, "Ah, that might be the new interconnects." She said, "The what?" I said, "I bought some new cables that run from the amp CD player to the amps". She said, "You didn't tell me that you'd bought new cables. How much were they?" I said "£100". She said "£100! ONE HUNDRED POUNDS for some bits of copper cable?!. [Pause] Still, it sounds brilliant, and it's a lot cheaper than £700 for new speakers...".
So, my wife was completely unaware that I had bought new cable (this was no accident - I deliberately hadn't told her, as we still have lots to do on the house!) , and yet was immediately able to distinguish that:
a) there was a considerable difference in the sound from the speakers;
b) the differences perfectly matched my (possibly pre-conceived) perceptions.
So, I put that forward as a near-perfect example of of someone who was expecting to hear a system exactly as before, and yet immediately identifying that a component had changed. Not only that, but I had previously been a (gentle) skeptic regarding the difference that a cable could make.
So, whilst you are perfectly entitled to your opinion on the matter, I would encourage all on this (and other forums) to respect the difference between fact and opinion Your opening statement (highlighted in bold) implies a fact, where I believe that none exists. The fact is that my wife heard a distinct difference when she was expecting not to, without any prompting or any suggestion of a test in progress. It seems that it doesn't get much clearer than that.
Shouldn't you not have had your good lady walk in say one week later (having changed the speaker cables back) .... and see if she noticed a difference ?
Many moons ago, as a result of some piece in some mag, almost all hifi demos of speakers were done in single pair demo rooms so that the different speakers didn't alter the sound of each speaker. So an extra couple of box volumes maybe acting like an ABR and messing with the sound.
I am afraid that, " So, I put that forward as a near-perfect example of of someone who was expecting to hear a system exactly as before, and yet immediately identifying that a component had changed.", is not a near-perfect test at all. Sadly, if it is not double-blind then it will never be accepted as a true test with a meaningful result.
People may agree with you, but any scientist type person in this field will not.
Read the forum. 'The Wife notices the better sound' argument is used many times here. A very convincing argument.
If people want to buy expensive cables because of the better sound, please do. Not a problem. I just think it's a load of rubbish.
It's a free world.........I can have that opinion if I want
Rlocated, I suggest that this is better experiment, as in a double-blind experiment, the subject knows that they are involved in an experiment. There was no known experiment taking place.
Cypher, you are perfectly entitles to your opinion - I believe that's what I said previously. All I ask is that we separate opinion and fact.
And with that, I shall bow out, hoping that someone provised useful input to the OP...
But don't cables need burning in 72 hours?
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