I do agree with Sospri it does matter esp. in the UK where a lot of our industry has gone abroad. With the rising costs in China maybe some will come back?
No it won't come back it will be moved to the next cheapest labour.......African countries maybe.
Actually there are examples of some manufacturers bringing production back from China as it's now no cheaper to make stuff out there. I don't think any of them were hi-fi manufacturers though. Africa isn't geared up for that sort of scale of manufacturing for the most part. India is more likely, the workforce is still very cheap and not particularly organised in terms of unions, so you can get away with murder...
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Vietnam maybe ?
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The UK government could offer more incentives to get UK manufacture more appealing, but they don't seem interested in doing anything. If they could get more job variation back here they might be able to dig the country out of this big black hole it's in instead of just crossing their fingers and going la la la la and hoping it will all go away.
Totally agree with that,
But I don't think thats occured to our Eton boys..............
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I'd love to see hifi made in Britain;would also be interested to see the numbers who are willing to pay the extra cost becouse of the minimum wage,sickness pay,holidays and bank holidays aswell
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Thats not always true, so Rega are more expensive than say Arcam? In fact I have not seen prices fall when they have moved to China.
There are very few (if any?) component manufacturers left in the UK. So depending on your view of 'manufacturing', it is more likely to be a case of assembly in the UK. It makes much more sense to ship components a few miles down the road in Shenzhen to be assembled onto a board (also made in Shenzhen), than halfway round the world to the UK to be assembled. Cost is undeniably an issue, but so are the logistics invoved.
I also think it's wrong for British companies to obfuscate about where it's products are made by using terms like "Designed In England" (or similar). It's gutless and cynical.
If something is made in China then b####y say so! I have plenty of stuff that is made in China (Apple, Marantz) or S.Korea (Humax) and they have the honesty to label things properly. (Like my new iPad Mini where it clearly states on the box "Designed By Apple in California" and "Assembled in China".)
To be fair, some UK hi-fi companies do exactly what you're advocating. In the image below the left-hand unit, an MF, states 'Designed in England' and 'Made in Taiwan'.
What classical music are you listening to?
That you know, Krell does a good quality control in China on the model s-300i?
What difference does it make if you then have to ship the finished products around the world anyway?
Yes its a shame that our much coveted hobby/interest is manifested in a product that is of Chinese Origin. One must also factor in the "perceived value" of the product as well. High end Japanese items come to mind here. Sometimes I think that the UK produced lines are a little wanting in some respect. Cyrus has been dragging its heels over the casework if you aske me - for the price that they expect.
And yes! I would pay a premium for UK manufactured goods. My Home cinema setup is Arcam FMJ (UK) and the dvd player is Sony. My Hi-Fi is a combination of Japanese (Denon), Chord Electronics, Arcam and Musical Fidelity. The MF looks good (A5 cd) but the internals look second rate. Probably a Sanyo fine tuned. Hope Im wrong, but thats the impression I get. It Sounds ok though, through the Arcam FMJ A33 Dac. speakers are MA PL100. Cables are VDH and AQ (USA made). I have to settle for what I have......
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Yes its a shame that our much coveted hobby/interest is manifested in a product that is of Chinese Origin. One must also factor in the "perceived value" of the product as well. High end Japanese items come to mind here. Sometimes I think that the UK produced lines are a little wanting in some respect. Cyrus has been dragging its heels over the casework if you ask me - for the price that they expect.
And yes! I would pay a premium for UK manufactured goods. My Home cinema setup is Arcam FMJ (UK) and the dvd player is Sony. My Hi-Fi is a combination of Japanese (Denon), Chord Electronics, Arcam and Musical Fidelity. The MF looks good (A5 cd) but the internals look second rate. Probably a Sanyo fine tuned. Hope Im wrong, but thats the impression I get. It Sounds ok though, through the Arcam FMJ A33 Dac. speakers are MA PL100. Cables are VDH and AQ (USA made). I have to settle for what I have......but if you want value for Money then the Items from the Far East are hard to beat.
Personally, I would rather not buy any goods made in China, but it's virtually impossible not to.
Communist China, the most un-communist country in the world.
There are so many reasons why the world should not be doing business with China, but all these reasons seem to be ignored, just so we can get our goods a bit cheaper, or just so huge corporations can make even more money.
We no longer care about China's human rights record, we no longer care that the huge majority of it's people are living in absolute poverty, we ignore the fact that China is polluting the world, while the rest of us have to reduce our carbon emissions. We don't seem to care that because manufacturing cost are so low in China, it's almost as cheap to chuck your old faulty tv and buy a new one, rather than get the old one repaired. We are living in a throwaway society, when in reality, it's the opposite of what we should be doing.
I don't really know if goods made in China are of poorer quality, but from personal experience, I think they probably are. That's not important to me, but all the reasons outlined above are.
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