Improve AV Amp 2 channel music for nothing.

What do you mean increasing left & right to 100%?  Is this something specific to some brands?  Do you mean to turn up the volume to max?  Sorry I do not understand.   All my speakers are 100% connected, not sure that I have an option to connect them only 60 % or so... thanks for clarifying.

Yes I mean turn up the volume from the setup manual or display setup were you adjust the out put for each speaker.. In this case not refering to the the main volume control. Hope this clears things up.

Hi,

Think he means go in to the speaker set up ion the av amp and push the volume to 100% wich is plus 10 on my Yam.

The amps default to midway on the standard setup for all speakers connected.

AmigaNut

Must try that, if I have the option.

I do wonder though if that is more akin to gain in an analogue pre-amp than using the volume out on a pc in the digital domain at less than 100% thus loosing bit rate? If it is the former could'nt this just raise the noise floor and negate any real benefit and if it is the latter it wouldn't be direct? - Does that make ANY sense?

I'll have a go later and thanks for the hint pet.

regards

By increasing the output you get more drive behind the speakers. Tried it time & again. Does not add noise at all. It the same as turning your pre amp down or up on a pre-amp / power amp combo. I produce music & one of the the golden rules of recording is to always make you source sound as loud as possible without distortion. By doing this you actually reduce background noise, as suppose to increasing it.

Isn't it just the same as turning the amp up a bit more?

Yes but you're not adjusting the source levels though, you're turning the volume up on those two channels surely?

I think he is saying this and he right to a certain degree - even in prue direct mode the signal is still passing through a D/A  convertor that will reduce or boost the levels for the L&R as setup by the auto calibration

Therefore if you adjust the output level of the speakers L & R to their maximum + whater ever db they go to it will sound better?

That doesnt seem a good idea - the only good idea related to that which will work positively will be to set their output levels at 0.  Therefore there will be no digital attenuation on the signal and especially no boosting of the signal in the premap section.

That makes sense to do that and just use a different memory number for music and 1 for films.

I can only adjust level (+/- 10db) on centre, rears etc but not the fronts.

On my receiver, 2 channel (direct) is for bypassing 'all' soundprocessing though it still allows for a few  parameters to be switched into the path if needed though they are limited to 3 and by default or set to 'off'. -

Only the 5.1 channel inputs seem to totally circumnavigate the processor and directly link to the volume pot. No adjustments are possible.

Either option sounds very good to me.

regards

I have the speaker levels set to +10db & large speakers.

It also helps to turn off all unused channels and all effects ( don't bother with 'Normal/stereo' from the DSP) and use your cdp as a transport and take advantage of the DAC -  digital (coax) out on your player into a digital in (coax to me sounds alot better than optical) on your rx'er, this makes the most difference to my amp and drives my speakers really clean. With a full bodied sound.

that untapped power output gives my amp excellent dynamics (well I think thats the reason anyway)

Well most people who say AV amps cn't play music are not aware that all Av amps default is 0db. But taking this up to the full output the amp really starts singing.

Well the source in this case is the pre-amp of the AV amp. When adjusting volume levels for each suround channel( left & right, center, suround Left & right) when watching movies, this also affects the level of front level left & right weather in pure direct mode or not.

That makes no sense, pre-amp is not the source (blu ray etc is the source), it is the means of altering the volume. So it sounds like you're just talking about a different way of adjusting the volume. For example, you might set the 'output' to +30 but then have volume at -60. This would be the same as 'output' defaulting to zero and having volume at -30.

I'm prepared for there to be a technical explanation why this is wrong, but I don't think you have it.

Benlaw have you actually tried this for your self. I very much know what am talking about.  I think you need to find out more before you make a fool of urself. Yes cdp & bluerays are source. In this case by increasing the volume of the left & right channels from the pre-amp stage of the Av amp you reduce background noise to the power amp section. If you have the main volume at 40db & the left & right output at the preamp stage at +12bd as suppose to 0db. The Av amp will sound much louder at 40db. This will be the case if you reduce the main volume from 40db to30db the preamp stage will still remain at +12db. Simples.!! Increasing the preamp stage does not reduce the output of the main volume.

Any change in volume is at the preamp stage. How else are you suggesting volume is changed?

When you go into the setup page to adjust the speaker levels of the Av amp, you max out the left & right channels. Benlaw is that not simple enough to understand..? By so doing you have maximum power output.  That then remains contant. Then you  use the main voulme control as asusal to control over all levels.