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direct Cliff but I have just seen this omg

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Icon-Audio-Stereo-300-Mk-II-amplifier-using-300B-valves-Beautiful-condition-/331134937214?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item4d192e287e

 

 

Hi Steve, the 300 looks a superb amp, however I have no practical experience, Mr Floyd may be better placed?

Therefore looking on a personal note; its to big for me, cant accommodate 460x400mm. Collect only . . . has it got the original packing and valve cover? It will come in two boxes, amp in one, the cover, valves and accessories in the other.

I suspect its taken from the 'amps' that Floyd uses, I think his are 300B's? Its going to perform, but like some women, very high maintenance. Looking on Icons site, new 300B valves start at £100 a go, up to £210 each! If you blow a valve, their nature dictates they will blow oneday or need replacing as a matched set every few years, thats an arm and a leg. One of my KT88's blew in 4 weeks, replaced under guarantee, but after 12 months you are on your own, Icon dont fully GT their valves after a certain period, part life GT? Incidently my KT88's cost £25 a go, cheap enough to do a little valve rolling???

As I say Steve, great idea if you can afford the maintenance???????????????????? . . . A bit like running a Rolls Royce, pick them up for peanuts, just wait for the service and repair bills, great if you have the cash????

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Thanks Cliff, Keith has give me the low down on it so probably not a good idea as he says its an early model and it is mahoosive.

See what warranty I can get with this unit, if its a no-no then Would be prefable to buy a new unit.

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stevebrock wrote:

direct Cliff but I have just seen this omg

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Icon-Audio-Stereo-300-Mk-II-amplifier-using-300B-valves-Beautiful-condition-/331134937214?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item4d192e287e

I think his are 300B's? Its going to perform, but like some women, very high maintenance. Looking on Icons site, new 300B valves start at £100 a go, up to £210 each! If you blow a valve, their nature dictates they will blow oneday or need replacing as a matched set every few years, thats an arm and a leg. One of my KT88's blew in 4 weeks, replaced under guarantee, but after 12 months you are on your own, Icon dont fully GT their valves after a certain period, part life GT? Incidently my KT88's cost £25 a go, cheap enough to do a little valve rolling??? As I say Steve, great idea if you can afford the maintenance???????????????????? . . . A bit like running a Rolls Royce, pick them up for peanuts, just wait for the service and repair bills, great if you have the cash???? CJSF

Sorry CJ. Not trying to pick an argument but...

Not too long ago I pointed out, correctly as it happened, that replacement valves can be bloody expensive (as well as proned to overheating etc etc) and you and Floydie and a few other valve heads jumped on me like I was some sort of alien.

We are all defensive towards our bundles but not to a point where info is misleading. Sheesh! I was accused of being a hypocrite recently.

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 I suspect its taken from the 'amps' that Floyd uses, I think his are 300B's

I do run a pair of 300B monos CJ , but they are bespoke jobs made by a valve amp genious I know. Still waiting on the new Beastie pre-amp for my 845s by the way ,lol.

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 I suspect its taken from the 'amps' that Floyd uses, I think his are 300B's

I do run a pair of 300B monos CJ , but they are bespoke jobs made by a valve amp genious I know. Still waiting on the new Beastie pre-amp for my 845s by the way ,lol.

 

 

Sorry, I thought they were Icon, my mistake . . . ?

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stevebrock wrote:

direct Cliff but I have just seen this omg

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Icon-Audio-Stereo-300-Mk-II-amplifier-using-300B-valves-Beautiful-condition-/331134937214?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item4d192e287e

I think his are 300B's? Its going to perform, but like some women, very high maintenance. Looking on Icons site, new 300B valves start at £100 a go, up to £210 each! If you blow a valve, their nature dictates they will blow oneday or need replacing as a matched set every few years, thats an arm and a leg. One of my KT88's blew in 4 weeks, replaced under guarantee, but after 12 months you are on your own, Icon dont fully GT their valves after a certain period, part life GT? Incidently my KT88's cost £25 a go, cheap enough to do a little valve rolling??? As I say Steve, great idea if you can afford the maintenance???????????????????? . . . A bit like running a Rolls Royce, pick them up for peanuts, just wait for the service and repair bills, great if you have the cash???? CJSF

Sorry CJ. Not trying to pick an argument but...

Not too long ago I pointed out, correctly as it happened, that replacement valves can be bloody expensive (as well as proned to overheating etc etc) and you and Floydie and a few other valve heads jumped on me like I was some sort of alien.

We are all defensive towards our bundles but not to a point where info is misleading. Sheesh! I was accused of being a hypocrite recently.

 

 

As I said PP, 'some women can be high maintenance', same as the valve amps one chooses, a KT88 can be economic and give quality performance, you can equaly pay an arm and a leg, for, in my humble opinion, the same item dressed up in finery that dont much change what goes on inside if you get my meaning????

PP, you have to be understand of the product to get value for money . . . takes years, sometimes never? Certainly listen to those that know . . . Wink

I did a lot of searching, got my excellent Sovtek KT88's for £25 each inc. They proved to be as good, if not better than fancy £100 glitter types, I listened, took note and made my choice . . . Dance 4

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Not too long ago I pointed out, correctly as it happened, that replacement valves can be bloody expensive (as well as proned to overheating etc etc) and you and Floydie and a few other valve heads jumped on me like I was some sort of alien.

 

IIRC PP old buddy, you said valve amps were prone to overheating , not the valves.  Thats why I jumped on yer charlies at the time.

 

@ CJ , 200 quid for a 300B is peanuts. Google Western Electric NOS 300B , then sit down . Conversely EH 300b Gold Grid 69 quid a pop , damn good valves and not exactly bank breakers. 

@ Steve , do not buy valves from Icon contact me when/if you need any.

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plastic penguin wrote:

Not too long ago I pointed out, correctly as it happened, that replacement valves can be bloody expensive (as well as proned to overheating etc etc) and you and Floydie and a few other valve heads jumped on me like I was some sort of alien.

 

IIRC PP old buddy, you said valve amps were prone to overheating , not the valves.  Thats why I jumped on yer charlies at the time.

 

Floydie me ole mucker, what else *other than valves* would overheat? Did make it very clear in that other thread, around the festive period, that valves overheat, and gave a very factual reason based family member working on valves costing far more than ya average amp.

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plastic penguin wrote:

CJSF wrote:

stevebrock wrote:

direct Cliff but I have just seen this omg

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Icon-Audio-Stereo-300-Mk-II-amplifier-using-300B-valves-Beautiful-condition-/331134937214?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item4d192e287e

I think his are 300B's? Its going to perform, but like some women, very high maintenance. Looking on Icons site, new 300B valves start at £100 a go, up to £210 each! If you blow a valve, their nature dictates they will blow oneday or need replacing as a matched set every few years, thats an arm and a leg. One of my KT88's blew in 4 weeks, replaced under guarantee, but after 12 months you are on your own, Icon dont fully GT their valves after a certain period, part life GT? Incidently my KT88's cost £25 a go, cheap enough to do a little valve rolling??? As I say Steve, great idea if you can afford the maintenance???????????????????? . . . A bit like running a Rolls Royce, pick them up for peanuts, just wait for the service and repair bills, great if you have the cash???? CJSF

Sorry CJ. Not trying to pick an argument but...

Not too long ago I pointed out, correctly as it happened, that replacement valves can be bloody expensive (as well as proned to overheating etc etc) and you and Floydie and a few other valve heads jumped on me like I was some sort of alien.

We are all defensive towards our bundles but not to a point where info is misleading. Sheesh! I was accused of being a hypocrite recently.

PP, you have to be understand of the product to get value for money . . . takes years, sometimes never? Certainly listen to those that know . . . Wink I did a lot of searching, got my excellent Sovtek KT88's for £25 each inc. They proved to be as good, if not better than fancy £100 glitter types, I listened, took note and made my choice . . . Dance 4 CJSF

 

Ample reason why I wouldn't dip my toes in the valve pool. I know nothing about valve amp... I don't know anything about anything...

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@ CJ , 200 quid for a 300B is peanuts. Google Western Electric NOS 300B , then sit down . Conversely EH 300b Gold Grid 69 quid a pop , damn good valves and not exactly bank breakers. 

@ Steve , do not buy valves from Icon contact me when/if you need any.

 

 

You are right Floyd, as I had no experience of the unit I was trying to put forward a personal view to Steve as to the way I thought about the 300 amp. Believing you would put him on the right track?

I did not make it clear enough, Icon is not the place to buy valves from in my attempt to make a point.

Your valve experience has helped me a lot, I said you would be the best person to talk to. Great valve, yes, but £69 x 4 still racks up in my book, unless one has deep pockets?

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Ample reason why I wouldn't dip my toes in the valve pool. I know nothing about valve amp...

 

 

I think thats the point to be made PP? To those of use who do have hands on experience, valve amps, respected brands that is, do not overheat or go wrong any more than any other type of amp, I suspect less because of their simplicity, in fact, when they do need attention . . . 'a valve goes off' . . . its a user job to unplug and replace with a new one, what could be more simple or practical. :?

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CJSF wrote:

plastic penguin wrote:

CJSF wrote:

stevebrock wrote:

direct Cliff but I have just seen this omg

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Icon-Audio-Stereo-300-Mk-II-amplifier-using-300B-valves-Beautiful-condition-/331134937214?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item4d192e287e

I think his are 300B's? Its going to perform, but like some women, very high maintenance. Looking on Icons site, new 300B valves start at £100 a go, up to £210 each! If you blow a valve, their nature dictates they will blow oneday or need replacing as a matched set every few years, thats an arm and a leg. One of my KT88's blew in 4 weeks, replaced under guarantee, but after 12 months you are on your own, Icon dont fully GT their valves after a certain period, part life GT? Incidently my KT88's cost £25 a go, cheap enough to do a little valve rolling??? As I say Steve, great idea if you can afford the maintenance???????????????????? . . . A bit like running a Rolls Royce, pick them up for peanuts, just wait for the service and repair bills, great if you have the cash???? CJSF

Sorry CJ. Not trying to pick an argument but...

Not too long ago I pointed out, correctly as it happened, that replacement valves can be bloody expensive (as well as proned to overheating etc etc) and you and Floydie and a few other valve heads jumped on me like I was some sort of alien.

We are all defensive towards our bundles but not to a point where info is misleading. Sheesh! I was accused of being a hypocrite recently.

PP, you have to be understand of the product to get value for money . . . takes years, sometimes never? Certainly listen to those that know . . . Wink I did a lot of searching, got my excellent Sovtek KT88's for £25 each inc. They proved to be as good, if not better than fancy £100 glitter types, I listened, took note and made my choice . . . Dance 4 CJSF

 

Ample reason why I wouldn't dip my toes in the valve pool. I know nothing about valve amp... I don't know anything about anything...

 

 . . .  :wall: you did not get the point PP, did you  . . .  :doh:

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Ample reason why I wouldn't dip my toes in the valve pool. I know nothing about valve amp...

 

 

I think thats the point to be made PP? To those of use who do have hands on experience, valve amps, respected brands that is, do not overheat or go wrong any more than any other type of amp, I suspect less because of their simplicity, in fact, when they do need attention . . . 'a valve goes off' . . . its a user job to unplug and replace with a new one, what could be more simple or practical. :? CJSF

But if a single valve starts to become iffy doesn't that affect the others? i.e put too much of the burden on the good ones? Or is my understanding that crass?

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it is interesting the variation in price of valves ie KT88s some are £60 for pair up to £150 pair - I havent got a clue to be honest!

 

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it is interesting the variation in price of valves ie KT88s some are £60 for pair up to £150 pair - I havent got a clue to be honest

There are more valve brands out there than companies that actualy make em Steve, so heres a clue. Re-Badged  Wink

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