what I've read can . . . be termed experience
I don't think anyone has said that reading about something equals experience of it
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As a society we have become lazy because products are being constantly produced to make our lives far simpler, easier, and quicker. CD was accepted because everyone thought it was " perfect sound forever", and because they didn't have to turn a CD over half way through. People will always buy the simplest and easiest solution.
I don't buy records because of nostalgia. I buy them because generally they produce a more believable and convincing experience. Very few CD based systems, if any, can reproduce the sort of three dimensionality that a good quality turntable can. and I'm not discussing that one further.
I wasn't expecting or asking you to David, I was giving you my view of why I think vinyl is a niche product for a minority of users. At over £20 and often more for new releases, it's going to stay that way.
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Unfortunately, I agree RS. I think for the price, a CD copy should be included in the purchase!
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Yeah, but I don't think many people on this forum (you and me included) actually do understand how a DAC or streamer works... In fact, we would be repeating what we've read from others.
Yay. It's good to see I haven't missed much
I know the topic is DAC and not CDP, but
I can think of a reason why finer details are lost first (mind, I have no practical experience designing these): most DACs use an external active network (i.e. a tree-structure of resistors and capacitors) to maintain the reference voltages for each bit. The least-significant bits carry the lowest voltage, so use the smallest capacitors and resistors. However, outputting a signal drains the capacitors, and the smallest capacitors will be drained faster than the other bits. When the capacitor is drained, the reference voltage drops*.
* of course you can use smaller resistors to make the capacitors recharge faster, but if you change only one resistor your network becomes unbalanced, so then you must change many others to compensate. And smaller resistor values means more process variance, which means you must exert greater care hand-picking matching components.
Agreed, But those that apparently (allegedly??) do know have written about it, and there's nothing wrong with us reporting what they've said, and the results of blind tests, no more than there's anything wrong with reporting what a person has heard.
Nothing wrong with it, although I repeat it is preferable to state sources of information.
idc's collection of blind tests etc is very useful for sure
One must always use a critical mind as to the possible motivations of those who put any information out there. For example, someone selling an active speaker with a built in dac and preamp has an interest in saying (i) active speakers are best, (ii) all dacs sound the same, (iii) all amplification sounds the same as long it is sufficiently powerful. It would be a fallacy (that many fall into) to say that means the information is wrong, but it pays to be cautious for obvious reasons.
In many ways the most interesting sources of information are those with no obvious bias. Which is why I always find oldric's and lindsay's posts interesting, even tho I don't necessarily agree with them.
Anyway, have you got that rug yet? There seems to be consensus about that at least
This is the logic I speak of..
I couldn't agree more, in fact when I read virtually anything about Hifi the first thing I think of is what are the motives of the person who said/wrote it, do they have a vested interest, does what they say clash with what unbiased people say, or blind tests, or users opinions etc etc.
The corollary of this is that if someone is saying something you disagree with, maybe even that you think is ridiculous, but they have no vested interest, there really is no point giving them a hard time.
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Max, I think you would struggle to find anyone who can truly be called unbiased. Users have some element of bias in favour of the equipment they own, dealers have bias in favour of their preferred brands, and all manufacturers are biased in favour of the equipment they make.
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