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Ah, gotcha.  I was speaking more generally.  Obvs. 

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The_Lhc wrote:

matt49 wrote:

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matt49 wrote:
Go on to the Sonos forums and you'll find plenty of people who aren't happy with the sound.

I spend all day on there

I hope you don't mean that literally  ;)

Sure, why not? I sit at work all day, typically with not much going on and I idle away the time bouncing around between here, twitter, the BBC, New Scientist and the Sonos forum, amongst others.

I htink you'd have some fun here...

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If you don't mind me asking have you tried the Sonos direct into the power amp stage of the amp, ie using the sonos as the pre amp, and if so was it really that bad?

I only ask as this is what I do, Roksan power amp and MA RS6 and it sounds good to me (esp BBC radio 6) not tried putting the CD player through the line in, but do feed the TV through it and it sounds fine too.

Tommo

Yes, I've tried it, and I have a strong preference for piping the Sonos through the M-DAC, based on perceived SQ. I'm getting quite a bit more detail and a sweeter tone.

But thanks for reminding me. I should give it another go (though at this point it's traditional for someone to say that I'll only hear what I expect to hear, so there's no point).  Wink

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ever have the feeling everybody is talking around you about something completely different to your conversation?

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FWIW. I would be looking at the Linn DS / DSM range.

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jjgreenwood wrote:

ever have the feeling everybody is talking around you about something completely different to your conversation?

It usually happens some time or another in a thread, you get used to it. Smile

Back on topic, are you near anyone that might be happy for you to have a listen to the ADms?

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jjgreenwood wrote:

ever have the feeling everybody is talking around you about something completely different to your conversation?

It usually happens some time or another in a thread, you get used to it. Smile

Back on topic, are you near anyone that might be happy for you to have a listen to the ADms?

Sometimes this forum is hard to distinguish from Keeping up with the Kardashians.  :wall:

If you're anywhere near London, Bartletts on the Holloway Road have the ADMs on demo, and you could compare them with Dynaudio actives.

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Sometimes this forum is hard to distinguish from Keeping up with the Kardashians.  :wall:

I'd be amazed if you could find anyone here that would understand what you're trying to say with that reference.

Oh, hang on: GEL!!!!! What's he talking about?

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I'm within 50 miles of the adm/avi factory/head office but am put off a little bit by everything being a mobile number for my local dealers. I'm not looking for homemade stuff, not that I think that would be rubbish. I just like having warranties and proper companies rather than one man band kind of companies. The avi stuff strikes me as a couple of mates getting a factory to make their design and hitting the forums to sell it.

It is possible I'm no giving ashley etc due credit but that is how it appears. I'm nervous about meeting him just so he can give me a sales pitch for a £2200 product. I'm also sceptical about the £149 upgrade available for the tweeters as £149 sounds like a lot of money for an upgrade. As nobody will hear the difference between one without it and one with it I wouldn't be surprised if the £149 is a bit of extra margin for manufacturer. 

The marketing and the whole sales programme for avi/adm9 makes me nervous even though the tech seems to make sense.

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The ADMs are fabulous speakers, they get even better with the addition of the sub.  If you visit AVI, you won't just be given a sales pitch, you'll sit down in Ashleys house and listen to the speakers yourself.  Take your own kit along to compare if you like.  They are not 'home made stuff', and they come with a proper warranty.  The Scanspeak tweeter option includes one of the best tweeters you can buy and it is not cheap, Ashley would probably prefer you to buy the cheaper one as they have a load of the standard tweeters that nobody wants because everyone is going for the Scanspeak tweeter.  AVI are a well established company who used to make very well regarded seperates and speakers that were available through traditional dealers, now they are a well established company who make very well regarded active speakers with built-in dac and pre amp that are available through selected dealers or direct from AVI themselves.  You're 50 miles away, give them a ring or send an email and book a demo, then you can see for yourself.  

One of my relations has ADMs, they easily kept pace with my £7000 Chord and ATC system I had at the time.  If he'd had the sub back then (as he does now), the ADM system would've wiped the floor with it.

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jjgreenwood wrote:

I'm within 50 miles of the adm/avi factory/head office but am put off a little bit by everything being a mobile number for my local dealers. I'm not looking for homemade stuff, not that I think that would be rubbish. I just like having warranties and proper companies rather than one man band kind of companies. The avi stuff strikes me as a couple of mates getting a factory to make their design and hitting the forums to sell it.

It is possible I'm no giving ashley etc due credit but that is how it appears. I'm nervous about meeting him just so he can give me a sales pitch for a £2200 product. I'm also sceptical about the £149 upgrade available for the tweeters as £149 sounds like a lot of money for an upgrade. As nobody will hear the difference between one without it and one with it I wouldn't be surprised if the £149 is a bit of extra margin for manufacturer. 

The marketing and the whole sales programme for avi/adm9 makes me nervous even though the tech seems to make sense.

I think you misunderstand the product and company.

As mentioned, AVI are well established and have been making hifi components for years. The products seem generally highly regarded.

Re. the £149 tweeters, if you want top notch drivers in your speakers, then they will cost.

HERE are a few examples.

Whether or not you consider them to be worth the extra is another matter entirely.

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jjgreenwood wrote:

I'm not looking for homemade stuff, not that I think that would be rubbish. I just like having warranties and proper companies rather than one man band kind of companies.

 

the homemade stuff is usually much better than mass produced as they don't have the overheads that big businesses do so can afford to put in those bits that make things good, rather than having to cut costs in order to meet strict budgets to keep the company running as it were.  Warranties would still apply under the sales of goods act.  So, the only thing getting in the way, is imho, an unfair view of what you think you get from a "proper" company over people focusing on one particular product.

 

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If you are interested in looklng at active speakers there are several options available.

Dynaudio make active speakers and also wireless one in the Xeos range. These will have a different take on the sound to the AVIs, and will be easier to compare since there are many more Dynaudio dealers than the limited AVI options.

There are also the professional active speakers, such as Adams, Krk, Genelec and others, which can be heard at professional sound shops. These are mostly designed as near field monitors, as in not designed for larger domestic rooms, but do nevertheless work well.

Bear in mind that many actives, including the AVIs, have limited RCA inputs. That means you couldn't use an external DAC, CD player, turntable, etc without a switching box.

On the other hand, there are speakers such as the Magnepans which cost around the £1400 mark and will comfortably out-perform many speakers, both active and passive. They do need space and, though flat, are large.

Other speakers to consider would be the Neat Elites, but they are getting up in price.

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

Bear in mind that many actives, including the AVIs, have limited RCA inputs. That means you couldn't use an external DAC, CD player, turntable, etc without a switching box.

How many inputs do you need and why would you need an external DAC when you have a perfectly good internal DAC/preamp?

The inputs shown below should adequately cover your concerns.

PS. Most active speakers have no inputs at all except for a pair of line level connections from a preamp or variable line level source, so depending on alternative choice of active speakers, a controller or preamp would be needed.

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It looks like I might have to make an appointment with avi then. It wouldn't be the end of the world if it only had 1 input as the TV will put out the signal for all my sources, its becoming more of a decision between traditional hifi all in one box or active speakers.

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