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i think the key is finding a system that works for you, it can be at any level.

I have spoken, in a other thread, about an inexpensive system (Dual 504, Nagaoka, NAD3020, AR18s) that worked consistently well and was hugely enjoyable and the cost was extremely modest, even at today's proces we are still looking a just a few hundred pounds. I enjoyed that system immensely.

I have also mentioned my 'best' system, SME20A, Koetsu and Kiselki cartridges, ARC valve phono stage, preamp and solid state power amp and Martim Logan full range electrostatics with REL subwoofers.

This was an attempt to emulate, at much lower cost, the best system I ever heard (at a large house on Wimbledon Parkside) involving Martin Logan Statement speakers. On occasion my system could sound quite close to the Statement system but mostly was a long way off and as such deeply frustrating. I played and tweaked the system for a while but it simply did not really work for me with any kind of consistency so in the end it got moved on.

Yes mate, you are spot on.

I think I'm addicted to detail, the pursuit of pulling more from a disc, the way different equipment presents the ebb and flow and structures the music. But detail and musicality don't always come as a package do they? I was listening to The Stranglers- Rattus Norvegicus album yesterday and I heard little bits and bobs I'd never heard, and was grinning like an idiot. One of my favourite albums just got a little bit better. So I would say I'm pretty happy right now, and I can't really ask for more than that Smile

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davedotco wrote:

None of these posts come as a surprise, the psychology is quite clear on this.

What is more interesting is that some systems can, in my experience, frustrate the user because they tend to hint at a better level of performance than they actually deliver.

Quite difficult to explain really, it was touched on in another thread where systems only sounded good on certain 'good' recording but this lack of balance in a system manifests itself in a number of ways.

The results are that some systems frustrate their owners more than they delight them, far too common in my experience.

I find this problem a lot - one of the reasons I have stopped buying much new music.  My system (squeeze transporter, Krell amplification, Martin Logan speakers) takes few prisoners, and compressed recordings really do sound terrible.  I am not sure if it is system balance, or whether the system just exposes the inherent problems in the mix. A good recording from the 70s or 80s (Supertramp for example) can sound fantastic, my Wife's new Michael Buble CD sounds awful (notwithstanding the content...). I have a recent Shelby Lynne CD which sounds great, so I don't think I am locked into the previous century.    

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I find this problem a lot - one of the reasons I have stopped buying much new music.  

 

not meant offensively, but that's actually quite sad that you would have a system that stops you buying music.  Kind of defeats the object of it in really. :cry:

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andyjm wrote:

I find this problem a lot - one of the reasons I have stopped buying much new music.  

 

not meant offensively, but that's actually quite sad that you would have a system that stops you buying music.  Kind of defeats the object of it in really. :cry:

Its a good point. I still buy music, just new old music not new new music - if you see what I mean.

In the loudness wars, I am definitely a casualty.

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andyjm wrote:

I have a recent Shelby Lynne CD which sounds great, so I don't think I am locked into the previous century.    

 

Shelby Lynne is good, I believe her last 2 albums she produced herself on her own label, before that she was on Lost Highway a small label which is generally very good for sound quality.

 

Its sad in this day and age when they have all the resources that the record companies decide to compress most records to be louder rather than give us good sound quality.

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andyjm wrote:

Its a good point. I still buy music, just new old music not new new music - if you see what I mean.

In the loudness wars, I am definitely a casualty.

 

well fingers crossed that the record companies are starting to listen to people about the stupid loudness mastering they do, it's not good for anybody and quite frankly, sucks big ones!

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andyjm wrote:

My system (squeeze transporter, Krell amplification, Martin Logan speakers) takes few prisoners, and compressed recordings really do sound terrible.  I am not sure if it is system balance, or whether the system just exposes the inherent problems in the mix. 

I think it's the speakers. I heard the ML Ethos, driven bij Accuphase electronics. Wonderful with well recorded music - though a little harsh at higher volumes - and really unbearably awful with modern rock.

BTW, Shelby Lynne rules!

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cheeseboy wrote:

andyjm wrote:

Its a good point. I still buy music, just new old music not new new music - if you see what I mean.

In the loudness wars, I am definitely a casualty.

 

well fingers crossed that the record companies are starting to listen to people about the stupid loudness mastering they do, it's not good for anybody and quite frankly, sucks big ones!

They will continue to produce music that sounds good on the equipment that most people listen to it on, which nowadays means mobile phones, I-pods, car cd players, etc.  If that means compression then that is what they will do.

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Covenanter wrote:

cheeseboy wrote:

andyjm wrote:

Its a good point. I still buy music, just new old music not new new music - if you see what I mean.

In the loudness wars, I am definitely a casualty.

 

well fingers crossed that the record companies are starting to listen to people about the stupid loudness mastering they do, it's not good for anybody and quite frankly, sucks big ones!

They will continue to produce music that sounds good on the equipment that most people listen to it on, which nowadays means mobile phones, I-pods, car cd players, etc.  If that means compression then that is what they will do.

Chris

 

But does it sound good? They do it because it sells more apparently, loudness sells.

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BigH wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

cheeseboy wrote:

andyjm wrote:

Its a good point. I still buy music, just new old music not new new music - if you see what I mean.

In the loudness wars, I am definitely a casualty.

 

well fingers crossed that the record companies are starting to listen to people about the stupid loudness mastering they do, it's not good for anybody and quite frankly, sucks big ones!

They will continue to produce music that sounds good on the equipment that most people listen to it on, which nowadays means mobile phones, I-pods, car cd players, etc.  If that means compression then that is what they will do.

Chris

 

But does it sound good? They do it because it sells more apparently, loudness sells.

The trick of course is to buy and play music that is not recorded to appeal to the hard of thinking.

If pop acts want to release recordings that are little more than a collection of ringtones then don't buy the rubbish, there are plenty of decent recordings of great music out there.

I am a great lover of live recordings, musicians, in my experience, usually put far more into performances in front of an audience thean they ever do in the studio. OK, sweeping statement I know but it works for me most of the time.

Recently I have been working through a series of albums 'Live at Billy Bob's Texas' and for those occasions when bar room rock and roll does not quite hit the spot I go for some Art Pepper, live at Ronnie Scott's, a venue I know well.

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Recently I have been working through a series of albums 'Live at Billy Bob's Texas' and for those occasions when bar room rock and roll does not quite hit the spot I go for some Art Pepper, live at Ronnie Scott's, a venue I know well.

 

Art Pepper is on eof my favourites. But my favourite live jazz album is Shelley Manne at the Blackhawk Vol 1-5. Quite an old recording. 

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I go for some Art Pepper, live at Ronnie Scott's, a venue I know well.

 

Thank you. I always walk past Ronnie Scott's and think to myself that I should try it

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cheeseboy wrote:

andyjm wrote:

Its a good point. I still buy music, just new old music not new new music - if you see what I mean.

In the loudness wars, I am definitely a casualty.

 

well fingers crossed that the record companies are starting to listen to people about the stupid loudness mastering they do, it's not good for anybody and quite frankly, sucks big ones!

I've posted this before, but hopefully the following link contains some info about a loudness standard being implemented for radio which might lead to an end to the 'loudness wars'.  Fingers crossed anyway.   Clicky

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Craig M. wrote:

cheeseboy wrote:

andyjm wrote:

Its a good point. I still buy music, just new old music not new new music - if you see what I mean.

In the loudness wars, I am definitely a casualty.

 

well fingers crossed that the record companies are starting to listen to people about the stupid loudness mastering they do, it's not good for anybody and quite frankly, sucks big ones!

I've posted this before, but hopefully the following link contains some info about a loudness standard being implemented for radio which might lead to an end to the 'loudness wars'.  Fingers crossed anyway.   Clicky

 

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