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 Ha ha yeah, possibly. I might add that the fact that I'm on my way home from work rather than on the way to it might have something to do with it...

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I can relate to that, music sounds far better during my journey home. It also helps if the weather is nice!

There might be compromises with such systems but they produce a decent enough sound for most to enjoy.

The Beoplay A8 is a terrific system by the way.

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None of these posts come as a surprise, the psychology is quite clear on this.

What is more interesting is that some systems can, in my experience, frustrate the user because they tend to hint at a better level of performance than they actually deliver.

Quite difficult to explain really, it was touched on in another thread where systems only sounded good on certain 'good' recording but this lack of balance in a system manifests itself in a number of ways.

The results are that some systems frustrate their owners more than they delight them, far too common in my experience.

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byakuya83 wrote:
I can relate to that, music sounds far better during my journey home. It also helps if the weather is nice! There might be compromises with such systems but they produce a decent enough sound for most to enjoy. The Beoplay A8 is a terrific system by the way.

I've been loitering around it for a while now! Like a bad smell....I think it's great. If An alll in one B and O was system was good enough for my grandad then it is for me to.

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davedotco wrote:

None of these posts come as a surprise, the psychology is quite clear on this.

What is more interesting is that some systems can, in my experience, frustrate the user because they tend to hint at a better level of performance than they actually deliver.

Quite difficult to explain really, it was touched on in another thread where systems only sounded good on certain 'good' recording but this lack of balance in a system manifests itself in a number of ways.

The results are that some systems frustrate their owners more than they delight them, far too common in my experience.

 

 

+1

Part of my problem is I listen to a lot of indie/punk/rock etc which is in the main badly produced and maybe compressed etc. I don't want to listen to 'love over gold' or something similar everyday just so I can tell myself my system sounds good. Obviously in my van none of this matters. I have however had the experience of enjoying something on my way home, and thinking I'll put that on when I get in, only to be dissapointed when listening on my main system. Not so much nowadays, my Lavardin/Spendor combination seems to filter out the harshness while still being dynamic and musical. But all I've really done is come full circle from my first proper system of Arcam alpha 9/ 9P and Mission 752s. Which I loved.

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Roundhead 5000 wrote:

davedotco wrote:

None of these posts come as a surprise, the psychology is quite clear on this.

What is more interesting is that some systems can, in my experience, frustrate the user because they tend to hint at a better level of performance than they actually deliver.

Quite difficult to explain really, it was touched on in another thread where systems only sounded good on certain 'good' recording but this lack of balance in a system manifests itself in a number of ways.

The results are that some systems frustrate their owners more than they delight them, far too common in my experience.

 

 

 

 

+1

Part of my problem is I listen to a lot of indie/punk/rock etc which is in the main badly produced and maybe compressed etc. I don't want to listen to 'love over gold' or something similar everyday just so I can tell myself my system sounds good. Obviously in my van none of this matters. I have however had the experience of enjoying something on my way home, and thinking I'll put that on when I get in, only to be dissapointed when listening on my main system. Not so much nowadays, my Lavardin/Spendor combination seems to filter out the harshness while still being dynamic and musical. But all I've really done is come full circle from my first proper system of Arcam alpha 9/ 9P and Mission 752s. Which I loved.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing Smile

 

Saying that I've just had a demo of the Moon 650d CDP and I really liked it, and will probably buy it. My Marantz is getting on a bit now. Nothing like contradicting yourself eh?

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I look forward to kicking back and listening to my music,or any music on my system. :cheers:

 

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Roundhead 5000 wrote:

Saying that I've just had a demo of the Moon 650d CDP and I really liked it, and will probably buy it. My Marantz is getting on a bit now. Nothing like contradicting yourself eh?

 

How much are they in the UK?

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Roundhead -

i think the key is finding a system that works for you, it can be at any level.

I have spoken, in a other thread, about an inexpensive system (Dual 504, Nagaoka, NAD3020, AR18s) that worked consistently well and was hugely enjoyable and the cost was extremely modest, even at today's proces we are still looking a just a few hundred pounds. I enjoyed that system immensely.

I have also mentioned my 'best' system, SME20A, Koetsu and Kiselki cartridges, ARC valve phono stage, preamp and solid state power amp and Martim Logan full range electrostatics with REL subwoofers.

This was an attempt to emulate, at much lower cost, the best system I ever heard (at a large house on Wimbledon Parkside) involving Martin Logan Statement speakers. On occasion my system could sound quite close to the Statement system but mostly was a long way off and as such deeply frustrating. I played and tweaked the system for a while but it simply did not really work for me with any kind of consistency so in the end it got moved on.

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At present, after lots of much more expensive kit, I'm using the Denon RCD-M39DAB and I'm constantly surprised by how much I'm actually just enjoying the music.  With the Q 2020i speakers it makes a really nice sound across the vast range of music we listen to, and we're actually listening to more of our music more of the time.

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All the musicians that I know, some of whom have top quality grand pianos or other musical instruments, have LoFi music players. What do you make of that?

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Andrew17321 wrote:

All the musicians that I know, some of whom have top quality grand pianos or other musical instruments, have LoFi music players. What do you make of that?

Andrew

They are too busy hearing the real thing, to worry.

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Andrew17321 wrote:

 

All the musicians that I know, some of whom have top quality grand pianos or other musical instruments, have LoFi music players. What do you make of that?

Andrew

 

They listen to the music.

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CnoEvil wrote:

Andrew17321 wrote:

All the musicians that I know, some of whom have top quality grand pianos or other musical instruments, have LoFi music players. What do you make of that?

Andrew

They are too busy hearing the real thing, to worry.

No, in this case I think something else is happening.

It is not a question of hearing the real thing as you put it, but of musicians hearing the music in their head that is the issue. Only the most basic 'clues' are needed and their brain does the rest, I have seen this many times.

On the odd occasion that I have supplied proper systems to professional musicians they have been some of the most difficult customers I have ever had to deal with, conventional hi-fi, even pretty good hi-fi, rarely seems to do the job.

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BigH wrote:

Roundhead 5000 wrote:

Saying that I've just had a demo of the Moon 650d CDP and I really liked it, and will probably buy it. My Marantz is getting on a bit now. Nothing like contradicting yourself eh?

 

How much are they in the UK?

 

Sorry, missed your post, I was off enjoying some music ha ha...I've been quoted around £7,000.00. I was looking at the Wadias but they're a bit out of my price range at the moment. If anyone would like to recommend anything at or near this price, feel free. The Moon has the dac and all the other gubbins for when I decide to start getting into streaming, although the streaming module from Moon is about a grand or so on top.

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