Every time you get in your car do you think "Damn there are people out there with better cars than mine"?.
If not why are you worried about your hifi?
No! I think people with expensive cars have simply bought a pointless depreciating asset in which to sit in traffic.
Cars are an interesting one. I know people who thought me mad spending thick end of £3 grand on a hi fi, yet they'd buy a £30k car and lose that in a year in depreciation alone.
Anyway, I ride a motorbike! My wife drives the 10 year old Focus. Cars = total waste of money in my opinion.
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Owning a motorbike is selfish. cars and hi-fis aren't.
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From my experience ; my mate has a very expensive system. Sonas Faber speakers and I believe an Krell amp.
When you play a CD with good production it sounds absolutely amazing.
When you play a CD with a bad production it sounds so bad it's almost unlistenable.
The system is so neutral and revealing. Some CD's he doesn't listen anymore because of the production. I don't know if I want that.
A budget system is somewhat 'friendlier' sounding with bad sounding productions because it isn't so revealing.
Agree or not ?
A very good point Cypher, and one of the things that really worries me about thoughts of a more neutral and revealing system. I've had equipment that has really laid bare the poor production of some recordings and it can ruin enjoyment of some music.
I think there is a lot to be said for a decent budget system that attains a certain level of performance but nevertheless enables enjoyment of all music and not just the well produced stuff. For me, if the hi-fi stops you listening to some music then it has really failed (based on my criteria that hi-fi should serve the music - others will disagree).
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Owning a motorbike is selfish.
I don't have a car, I have a push bike. When I see someone with a better bike than me, I race them. I race them and beat them so bad they're ashamed of the fact they bought an expensive bike.
I'm not entirely sure how that combative attitude carries over to someone having a better hi-fi. I'd probably just dent their tweeters when they weren't looking or something.
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On the odd occasion I cycle to work I often get overtaken my some girl with a flowing skirt and basket on the bars riding most serenely when I think I'm peddling quite hard.
Interesting, I have hear many systems that were better than mine, I do not find that a problem.
What I do find to be a problem is what someone hinted about in an earlier post, the fact that you system can sound great one minute and awful the next, mostly this is down to the recording, but not always.
Putting together a system that is good enough for your needs, yet comfortable on less than great recordings is a real art and over the years some of my favourite systems fall into that class.
Many years ago I bought a system entirely on the recommendations of a 'hi-fi guru' friend of mine, a really simple inexpensive system of Dual 504 , Nagoyoka cartridge, NAD 3020 and a pair of AR18s. He set the system up on a SO table and Kan stands, screws in the floor and all that and it sounded fantastic.
Virtually any record I played sounded great, I regularly heard better, my friends Linn, Naim, ELS 57 for example but my basic system was so well balanced, so well sorted that it really did not matter. After a while I wanted better so sadly screwed up my system by buying better components, first a Rega turntable which was worse than my Dual, then an Audiolab amplifier that was so bad that it turned me off the brand for life.
It took me ages and a fair amount of money to get a genuinely better system with the same synergy, so the moral is clear, if you system really is together then spending anything but a serious amount of money is not going to help!
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I am envious of the system I will own in the future.
I don't yet know what it will be (or how much it will cost, or by what criteria it will be better), but I am a bit miffed I can't have it now.
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Dave - I agree. I do love my system, and therein lies the problem. I've demoed kit twice the price and it only sounds very marginally better. For me, the next step up probably requires sweet-talking the mortgage company.
I still want to know how owing a motorbike is selfish...
Another vote here for being on the red tonight!
Totally agree about some expensive systems being too revealing. Some speakers ive tried recently sounded amazing on some records but awful on less than perfect recordings so those speakers were straight off my shortlist. Whats the point of spending big money if you can only listen to half your music collection?
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Well I'd make that compromise I think. And to go back to cars - if you had a super-car would you moan that some roads are too bumpy?
That is, virtually by definition, the essence of a good system, something that is so well sorted that even well thought out and quite substantial 'upgrades' do very little.
Sometimes the way forward is to be radically different, get in touch with your local dealer, several if possible and ask them the following question.
I want to buy a system (dac, amp and speakers in your case) and give them a budget. Tell them what kind of music you like and if possible what kind of sound you prefer, if that is at all possible. Do not say what your current system is or what equipment you might favour, ask them to put together the combination that they think sounds good for the money.
You might get some interesting results.......!
Unless you can buy a tandom motorbike, only you and one other can enjoy the pleasure (and freedom) a bike can give. I personally like to share everything with Mrs. P and little'un. If they don't think it worthwhile I don't buy.
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