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Re: Ha! Gotham GAC-1 review........

Octopo.....my comments were not directed at you or the cable, of which I have no experience.

However, I stand by my statement regarding the principal of a low performing product (whatever it is) being awarded 2 stars even if it has no competition for the same price.

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Re: Ha! Gotham GAC-1 review........

But does this allow such a low rating if it's the top budget somebody can afford?

Don't forget WHF irregularly give such a low rating and people will realise this.

What this cable represents though is "significant" upgrade in sound quality for little money.

I'd like to point out in reference to competition, WHF have taken a stab at the Gotham when they can't offer an alternative to someone who can't afford to spend £40.ÿ

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We haven't "taken a stab" at anything - we've been ruthlessly honest about a cable that's being promoted by its retailer as being far, far better than it actually is.ÿ

I've said it repeatedly on this thread and i'll say it again - for just about £17 more than the Gotham you can get a cable that is way, way better. If someone can afford the hi-fi to attach an interconnect to, they can afford another £17.ÿ

If not, they'd be better off searching eBay for a decent second-hand cable - as people trade up, they tend to sell off great-quality cables at a superb price. ÿ

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Re: Ha! Gotham GAC-1 review........
Clare Newsome:

If not, they'd be better off searching eBay for a decent second-hand cable - as people trade up, they tend to sell off great-quality cables at a superb price. ÿ

Good idea, maybe you could offer a WHF guide of how to do this?ÿ

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Re: Ha! Gotham GAC-1 review........

Why don't you do a bit of research and post your findings? We don't have to rely on the team to do everything.

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Clare Newsome:

We haven't "taken a stab" at anything - we've been ruthlessly honest about a cable that's being promoted by its retailer as being far, far better than it actually is.ÿ

I've said it repeatedly on this thread and i'll say it again - for just about £17 more than the Gotham you can get a cable that is way, way better. If someone can afford the hi-fi to attach an interconnect to, they can afford another £17.ÿ

If not, they'd be better off searching eBay for a decent second-hand cable - as people trade up, they tend to sell off great-quality cables at a superb price. ÿ



What methodology did you use to come to that conclusion? ABX?

I thought it was usually cables which cost the earth that are "promoted by its retailer as being far, far better than it actually is"..

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Octopo:

Clare Newsome:

If not, they'd be better off searching eBay for a decent second-hand cable - as people trade up, they tend to sell off great-quality cables at a superb price. ÿ

Good idea, maybe you could offer a WHF guide of how to do this?ÿ

Not sure what there is to guide, beyond:

1) Find a great-rated cable that's a good match for your system - if in doubt, ask here, and you're bound to find someone who's using/has used it in a similar system to your own.

2) Check you can't get this cable new from a dealer - there can sometimes be deals to be had on older models, for examples, as new ranges come in.ÿ

2) If buying second-hand from eBay, only buy from sellers with excellent eBay feedback, who take Paypal (payment protected) and offer a returns policy if you're not happy with the quality of the product you receive. It's best to open a dialogue with the seller before you buy to find out everything about the condition of the cable. And insist on pics, too!

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Re: Ha! Gotham GAC-1 review........

I own 4 pairs of interconnects:
Two pairs of free in-the-box
A pair Wireworld Oasis III, cost me about ? 80 (£60)
A pair Wireworld Oasis V, cost me about ? 100 (£80)

Both Wireworlds look nice, both free wires look awfull.
Both Wireworlds sound nice, both free wires sound nice...

Honestly, I never heard any significant improvement.
I use the Wireworlds practically for cosmetic reasons only.
A real pleasure when I am cleaning my room once a week: a split second I look at these beautiful wires, not seeing them again the rest of the time.

I am sorry, it is not my intention to start a cable debate, just wanted to share my opinion Smile


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Don Guess:

Clare Newsome:

We haven't "taken a stab" at anything - we've been ruthlessly honest about a cable that's being promoted by its retailer as being far, far better than it actually is.ÿ

I've said it repeatedly on this thread and i'll say it again - for just about £17 more than the Gotham you can get a cable that is way, way better. If someone can afford the hi-fi to attach an interconnect to, they can afford another £17.ÿ

If not, they'd be better off searching eBay for a decent second-hand cable - as people trade up, they tend to sell off great-quality cables at a superb price. ÿ

What methodology did you use to come to that conclusion? ABX?I thought it was usually cables which cost the earth that are "promoted by its retailer as being far, far better than it actually is"..

Yes, blind testing.

And yes again, we've also given very poor ratings to cables that are widely overpriced.

Here is one example:

http://whathifi.com/Review/Oehlbach-Real-Matrix-HDMI-75m/ÿ

But sometimes you really do get what you pay for!ÿ

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Re: Ha! Gotham GAC-1 review........

But:

1) If they ask me, I'll recommend the GAC-1 dependent on their system and budget. If they had read an alternative review I would listen to both and recommend the best for their system, to their budget, to my ears.

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Yes I agree. If I didn't I'd still have my Amstrad!!

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Octopo:

But:

1) If they ask me, I'll recommend the GAC-1 dependent on their system and budget. If they had read an alternative review I would listen to both and recommend the best for their system, to their budget, to my ears.

And that, of course, is your prerogative.

But it took me a second of searching to find some Chord Crimson interconnects on eBay for under £15 (including postage), from a 100 percent feedback seller....ÿ

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Re: Ha! Gotham GAC-1 review........

I've tried quite a lot of cables and have done blind testing with a friend. Generally speaking the more expensive cables sounded better. There was one occasion when we felt that the Black Rhodium Prelude didn't sound as good as any others between £20 and £350, but that was the only exception. After the comparisons I bought the Chord Chameleon Silver Plus and my mate bought the Nordost Baldur.

Based on this experience I've decided to give the GAC a miss. I don't believe it would come close to my Chords. It's an item of curiosity that may in some cases, as pointed out by Drummerman, have a place in balancing a system. If it comes to that then I'll be questioning my choice of kit.

Is it worth the money? Well, given that the QED Qunex 2 and Chord Crimsons are so damn good for the money, no chance. Just my opinion without hearing it (gulp).

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Re: Ha! Gotham GAC-1 review........

Its a fine cable. If your system has excess bass and treble and you need midrange focus, drive and detail, try it. No system I've ever heard is perfect, same with cables.

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Clare Newsome:

And that, of course, is your prerogative.

But it took me a second of searching to find some Chord Crimson interconnects on eBay for under £15 (including postage), from a 100 percent feedback seller....ÿ

This brings us back to the ebay thing.

Nowhere on the site do I see a recommendation to do this.ÿ