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the spatia sounds fantastic!

 Been listening to CDs all night with the Spatia cables connected up the right - yes all sounds much more together than the Carnival, seems to be able to stay composed when I push the volume up! 

Lke you say I'm probably hearing what my amp & speakers are capable of!

Adele - 21 still a little but snouty but am able to play it louder now without it hurting my ears! 

 

I stil say Adele is very demanding on the systems timing and the listening rooms acoustics / speaker placement - you need it all working together but it is a raw sound for some of the songs.

I find with my system now the more I push it the better it sounds - that has been the case for a long time for some music but other songs / albums would become a mush or have parts that are muddled and ruin it for me.  I dont get that at all now its composed as you like - not perfectly composed but bloody close.  If I could treat me ceiling then it would be but not allowed....  I think that is a very good sign and I am nearly finished with the upgrade bug for a good while (3 x more cusat 50 digital cables still to buy)

 

I think the Spatia and the Cusats are keepers - I think you could change out all manner of kit and still want to keep them in there as they are doing their jobs properly.

 

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Had the same with my Chopins - when I took my CDP into the dealers the other day he pointed out my i/c were connected incorrectly. Had the darn things for 7 years and only just known about them being out of phase. :oops:

Has changing them round made a difference?

yes, but not humongous. It sounds a bit more balanced.

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CnoEvil wrote:

plastic penguin wrote:

Had the same with my Chopins - when I took my CDP into the dealers the other day he pointed out my i/c were connected incorrectly. Had the darn things for 7 years and only just known about them being out of phase. :oops:

Has changing them round made a difference?

yes, but not humongous. It sounds a bit more balanced.

I always have liked free upgrades.

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CnoEvil wrote:

plastic penguin wrote:

Had the same with my Chopins - when I took my CDP into the dealers the other day he pointed out my i/c were connected incorrectly. Had the darn things for 7 years and only just known about them being out of phase. :oops:

Has changing them round made a difference?

yes, but not humongous. It sounds a bit more balanced.

I always have liked free upgrades.

It's crazy. Don't understand why they don't make it clearer. There's two sleeves (3" long on each lead. "If you look there," he pointed to the edge of the sleeve, there's a tiny little arrow. It's just about detectable if you screw your eyes up.

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It's crazy. Don't understand why they don't make it clearer. There's two sleeves (3" long on each lead. "If you look there," he pointed to the edge of the sleeve, there's a tiny little arrow. It's just about detectable if you screw your eyes up.

Ah, but is the difference measurable? :shifty:   If not, it doesn't exist except in your head, so a full MOT is in order!.......and therein lies the rub! 

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Makes a bit of difference, but it doesn't jump out and slap you around the chops.

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plastic penguin wrote:
Had the same with my Chopins - when I took my CDP into the dealers the other day he pointed out my i/c were connected incorrectly. Had the darn things for 7 years and only just known about them being out of phase. :oops:

How do you connect an i/c out of phase?  :?

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ellisdj wrote:

stevebrock wrote:

the spatia sounds fantastic!

 Been listening to CDs all night with the Spatia cables connected up the right - yes all sounds much more together than the Carnival, seems to be able to stay composed when I push the volume up! 

Lke you say I'm probably hearing what my amp & speakers are capable of!

Adele - 21 still a little but snouty but am able to play it louder now without it hurting my ears! 

 

I stil say Adele is very demanding on the systems timing and the listening rooms acoustics / speaker placement - you need it all working together but it is a raw sound for some of the songs.

I find with my system now the more I push it the better it sounds - that has been the case for a long time for some music but other songs / albums would become a mush or have parts that are muddled and ruin it for me.  I dont get that at all now its composed as you like - not perfectly composed but bloody close.  If I could treat me ceiling then it would be but not allowed....  I think that is a very good sign and I am nearly finished with the upgrade bug for a good while (3 x more cusat 50 digital cables still to buy)

 

I think the Spatia and the Cusats are keepers - I think you could change out all manner of kit and still want to keep them in there as they are doing their jobs properly.

 

 

I hear Adele albums are very poor for sound quality certainly seem to be more loud than anything else, good for the radio maybe and loudness sells apparently..

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BigH wrote:

ellisdj wrote:

stevebrock wrote:

the spatia sounds fantastic!

 Been listening to CDs all night with the Spatia cables connected up the right - yes all sounds much more together than the Carnival, seems to be able to stay composed when I push the volume up! 

Lke you say I'm probably hearing what my amp & speakers are capable of!

Adele - 21 still a little but snouty but am able to play it louder now without it hurting my ears! 

 

I stil say Adele is very demanding on the systems timing and the listening rooms acoustics / speaker placement - you need it all working together but it is a raw sound for some of the songs.

I find with my system now the more I push it the better it sounds - that has been the case for a long time for some music but other songs / albums would become a mush or have parts that are muddled and ruin it for me.  I dont get that at all now its composed as you like - not perfectly composed but bloody close.  If I could treat me ceiling then it would be but not allowed....  I think that is a very good sign and I am nearly finished with the upgrade bug for a good while (3 x more cusat 50 digital cables still to buy)

 

I think the Spatia and the Cusats are keepers - I think you could change out all manner of kit and still want to keep them in there as they are doing their jobs properly.

 

 

I hear Adele albums are very poor for sound quality certainly seem to be more loud than anything else, good for the radio maybe and loudness sells apparently..

 

I have had this debate on another thread - its not the best recording but its not poor either.  She is the biggest Solo artist in the UK - granted the album is going to sell regardless but they had the budget to go into a good studio to record it.

Its demanding music on a system and the room - most rooms and systems dont do the album full justice

No saying its not loud, on the edge because it is - but poor is not a fair assessment.  I did used to think the same as you before I treated my room, got the Meridian Kit and the Graham Slee Cables

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I have had this debate on another thread - its not the best recording but its not poor either.  She is the biggest Solo artist in the UK - granted the album is going to sell regardless but they had the budget to go into a good studio to record it.

Its demanding music on a system and the room - most rooms and systems dont do the album full justice

No saying its not loud, on the edge because it is - but poor is not a fair assessment.  I did used to think the same as you before I treated my room, got the Meridian Kit and the Graham Slee Cables

I don't think the quality of studio is a problem, more the chosen mastering of much modern pop music such as Adele's album - if it has low dynamic range (mastered to be loud) then it's never going to sound great. You can change your system, cover your speakers with pillows etc to soften it but it's still a pretty poor CD sound quality-wise due to that squashed dynamic range.

Well recorded and mastered music still sounds great on the radio so it's frustrating that this "loudness war" is still the norm, much like YouTube ads that pop up at three times the volume of the clips you're watching - does it make me want to buy that product? No. Does it make me want to find the MD of the company selling it and punch him in the groin? Pretty much.

 

Adele's album dynamic range:

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=22612

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ellisdj wrote:

I have had this debate on another thread - its not the best recording but its not poor either.  She is the biggest Solo artist in the UK - granted the album is going to sell regardless but they had the budget to go into a good studio to record it.

Its demanding music on a system and the room - most rooms and systems dont do the album full justice

No saying its not loud, on the edge because it is - but poor is not a fair assessment.  I did used to think the same as you before I treated my room, got the Meridian Kit and the Graham Slee Cables

I don't think the quality of studio is a problem, more the chosen mastering of much modern pop music such as Adele's album - if it has low dynamic range (mastered to be loud) then it's never going to sound great. You can change your system, cover your speakers with pillows etc to soften it but it's still a pretty poor CD sound quality-wise due to that squashed dynamic range.

Well recorded and mastered music still sounds great on the radio so it's frustrating that this "loudness war" is still the norm, much like YouTube ads that pop up at three times the volume of the clips you're watching - does it make me want to buy that product? No. Does it make me want to find the MD of the company selling it and punch him in the groin? Pretty much.

 

Adele's album dynamic range:

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=22612

 

I have just done a quick search on a few of the albums I feel sound better / good and they all have low dynamic range scores in the red - including The Eagles Hell Freezes over.  Thats a good sounding CD I dont care what that score says.

Not all those CD' s sound bad so  thats made me doubt the results of that web page in terms of what I actually hear.

 

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ellisdj wrote:

AEJim wrote:

ellisdj wrote:

I have had this debate on another thread - its not the best recording but its not poor either.  She is the biggest Solo artist in the UK - granted the album is going to sell regardless but they had the budget to go into a good studio to record it.

Its demanding music on a system and the room - most rooms and systems dont do the album full justice

No saying its not loud, on the edge because it is - but poor is not a fair assessment.  I did used to think the same as you before I treated my room, got the Meridian Kit and the Graham Slee Cables

I don't think the quality of studio is a problem, more the chosen mastering of much modern pop music such as Adele's album - if it has low dynamic range (mastered to be loud) then it's never going to sound great. You can change your system, cover your speakers with pillows etc to soften it but it's still a pretty poor CD sound quality-wise due to that squashed dynamic range.

Well recorded and mastered music still sounds great on the radio so it's frustrating that this "loudness war" is still the norm, much like YouTube ads that pop up at three times the volume of the clips you're watching - does it make me want to buy that product? No. Does it make me want to find the MD of the company selling it and punch him in the groin? Pretty much.

 

Adele's album dynamic range:

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=22612

 

I have just done a quick search on a few of the albums I feel sound better / good and they all have low dynamic range scores in the red - including The Eagles Hell Freezes over.  Thats a good sounding CD I dont care what that score says.

Not all those CD' s sound bad so  thats made me doubt the results of that web page in terms of what I actually hear.

 

They only measure DR. That is true to a certain extent, some of my worst have quite good ratings like Genesis Trick of the Tail but mine is awful all boom and tiss. But generally the cds produced in the last 10 years are very compressed and do lack DR, that maybe OK on some types of music but does not really suit others. But having heard some modern compressed cds and then you put on say an ECM cd and it so much better. Even most of my jazz late 50s are better than most modern cds.

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I hear Adele albums are very poor for sound quality certainly seem to be more loud than anything else, good for the radio maybe and loudness sells apparently..

I think "21" is a pretty poor recording and have said so before somewhere on this forum.  It actually sounds very good on my car's CD player but some tracks are poor on my hifi, very harsh in fact.  I guess given that it has sold in millions it had to be recorded to sound good on any equipment so its a "lowest common denominator" recording in my view.

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I don't own any Adele's albums because she got played to death on the radio so I don't want to hear them again for a good while.

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Steve Can you please contact Jon ASAP at Graham Slee to arrange to return the cables you have on loan.

You can contact him on the GSP Audio Forum - Thanks

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