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My friend, all three are issues!

Sorry, I misread the tone of the thread, I thought the thread had turned into "egg Neuphonix on to greater and greater hi-fi decadence so we can live vicariously through him.

lol  rolling on the floor laughing maybe I should change my tag to Humpty Dumpty!!!!!

Hey Mac

i agree with you on both fronts. I would prefer the Scalas and a home demo is a must. At least that much is clear after today's discussion

even if I do have to stretch the bonds of marital bliss to get them. The missus made an off hand comment about the Scalas being around the same cost as a new kitchen the other day!!! Quick change of subject required there

BTW I am currently house sitting a friends place. He has Diablos with MF Primo & AMS50. Rega planar25 running through MF1 phono amp.

not bad, haven't really listened to vinyl for ages. Good to hear the Diablos in a bigger room, they do sound better with more space, still not enough down low though

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ID. wrote:

Neuphonix wrote:

My friend, all three are issues!

Sorry, I misread the tone of the thread, I thought the thread had turned into "egg Neuphonix on to greater and greater hi-fi decadence so we can live vicariously through him.

lol  rolling on the floor laughing maybe I should change my tag to Humpty Dumpty!!!!!

Hey Mac

i agree with you on both fronts. I would prefer the Scalas and a home demo is a must. At least that much is clear after today's discussion

even if I do have to stretch the bonds of marital bliss to get them. The missus made an off hand comment about the Scalas being around the same cost as a new kitchen the other day!!! Quick change of subject required there

BTW I am currently house sitting a friends place. He has Diablos with MF Primo & AMS50. Rega planar25 running through MF1 phono amp.

not bad, haven't really listened to vinyl for ages. Good to hear the Diablos in a bigger room, they do sound better with more space, still not enough down low though

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Sorry, I misread the tone of the thread, I thought the thread had turned into "egg Neuphonix on to greater and greater hi-fi decadence so we can live vicariously through him.

Me too!  shifty

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ID. wrote:

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My friend, all three are issues!

Sorry, I misread the tone of the thread, I thought the thread had turned into "egg Neuphonix on to greater and greater hi-fi decadence so we can live vicariously through him.

 

And on that note, my vote goes for Scalas plus subs  >)  Smile

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RE: Focal Scalas or Diablos with subs?

ID. wrote:

Neuphonix wrote:

My friend, all three are issues!

Sorry, I misread the tone of the thread, I thought the thread had turned into "egg Neuphonix on to greater and greater hi-fi decadence so we can live vicariously through him.

I don't think you've misread the tone of this thread in the slightest, ID.  I do take issue with your wording however. We are merely here to assist neuphonix with discovering what he wants, nay, NEEDS.  A rather valuable service, which we provide for free, I might add. 

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 A rather valuable service, which we provide for free, I might add. 

FREE!  Shock........just ask Neuphonix

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ID. wrote:

Neuphonix wrote:

My friend, all three are issues!

Sorry, I misread the tone of the thread, I thought the thread had turned into "egg Neuphonix on to greater and greater hi-fi decadence so we can live vicariously through him.

 

And on that note, my vote goes for Scalas plus subs  >)  Smile

 

+1  rockin out Maybe a couple corner bass traps to start

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ID. wrote:

Neuphonix wrote:

My friend, all three are issues!

Sorry, I misread the tone of the thread, I thought the thread had turned into "egg Neuphonix on to greater and greater hi-fi decadence so we can live vicariously through him.

I don't think you've misread the tone of this thread in the slightest, ID.  I do take issue with your wording however. We are merely here to assist neuphonix with discovering what he wants, nay, NEEDS.  A rather valuable service, which we provide for free, I might add. 

Apologies for my inelegant wording which makes us sound like audiophile enablers   twisted

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ID. wrote:

Neuphonix wrote:

My friend, all three are issues!

Sorry, I misread the tone of the thread, I thought the thread had turned into "egg Neuphonix on to greater and greater hi-fi decadence so we can live vicariously through him.

I don't think you've misread the tone of this thread in the slightest, ID.  I do take issue with your wording however. We are merely here to assist neuphonix with discovering what he wants, nay, NEEDS.  A rather valuable service, which we provide for free, I might add. 

Apologies for my inelegant wording which makes us sound like audiophile enablers   twisted

"Audiophile enablers"?

I feel as though I've stumbled across a recovery group for hi-fi addicts!

What step of the program are you  on? And does your therapist know that you are all frequenting site like this egging on poor unsuspecting victims?! Wink

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We did the room testing yesterday. What a great process. Highly recommend people get it done if possible. It was great seeing/hearing in real time how the system work & how the room interacts or influences things.

We ran out of time at the end so I don't have print outs of all the results but the most noticeable points were:

1) Left channel which is in the corner had massive bass loading compared to the right which is on the open side of the room. I hadn't had the chance to listen to left/ right separately, it was almost like listening to two differnt speakers.

2) The one sub which is next to the right channel did help to balance things off. But if I did go down the two sub route, each would be set-up very differently. ie. left quite low / right quite high.

3) The Diablos do drop away significantly (10dB) at around 70hz. The sub lifts thing back up again around 40hz, but I couldn't smooth the cross over betwwen 50 & 40 too well. In fairness I didn't spend alot of time on this, but the subs control options seem to work well.

4) There was a very sharp drop in a narrow range at 150hz, which I think is room related.

Will post more details soon. It has defintely re-inforced the need to look at my room as a part of my overall system, perhaps even the most important part.

Early thoughts are that while the Scalas will offer more, not sure how they will respond to the limited placement options. They do offer a degree of adjustment which could help to compensate. A home demo is an absolute must.

 

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Yes, it is worth remembering that there is a "tailoring" element to the Scalas (through the crossovers, I think).

You also seem to be getting sound knowledgeable advice on Audiogon.....even if they don't quite realize just how powerful 35W can sound.  twisted

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Hi all,

just thought that I would let all my friendly enablers know that I have reached decision & put it into action.

I had to put the Scala idea away, as much as I did love them the money & room size just seemed to big an issue. Budget could probably have been made to stretch but I can't magically move walls around. The wife had also started to bring up her new kitchen again & as 2012 has been a year of personal hi-fi indulgence it seems fair to provide her with a nice environment in which to cook me dinner!!! >) (while I put my feet up in the cofee table & listen to music!!!)

To make up for this compromise I have done the following:

1) Traded in the 10" sub & bought two 12" ones instead: http://www.jlaudio.com/f112-satin-home-audio-fathom-powered-subwoofers-96124

2) Orderd a Thor PS-10 power station: http://thortechnologies.com.au/

3) Having an RTI remote control system installed which will control everything via the iPad, Alex, check this out , very cool:  http://www.rticorp.com/default.aspx

4) Will have some custom plinth/stands made to sit the subs & diablos on, whilst still having them isolated from each other.

5) Look at some sort of room treatments. Corner traps are a definite & I may build a partition to corner load the right speaker similar to the left, also a door on the kitchen entrance to further enclose the right hand side of my room.

& then that will be it for quite some time to come. talk to the hand

In the end as much as the Scalas are appealing if i can do all this other stuff for less it just seems the wiser way to go. My old man told me I was mad for even considering them, & after doing the room testing with him & seeing the effect this had on the sound I had to listen to his reasoning. Why spend so much on a set of speakers if your room only allows you to get say 75% out of them? Especially given that my current set-up is already great.

Will still be a fair bit of fiddlng around with the sub set-up I'm sure, but that's all part of the fun.

Thanks for eveyone's input.

Ben, who know's if I win the lottery your suggestion may yet come true.

Helmut, sorry to be so 'silly"!! Smile

ID, you can put the eggs away now mate excellent!

beauty, eh

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I think this is a very wise choice... compliments! I will check this RTI stuff as it seems very interesting indeed Wink

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These things have to be worked through in an objective manner.....though it will only take the dealer to change his mind and throw in a ridiculous deal, to weaken your resolve.  twisted

If you are prepared to put the work in (which you are), you should get a pleasing result with what you're doing.

If you don't mind the rather "agricultural" look....Auralex Grammas / Sub Dudes are effective.,,,though you can make them look a lot better, if you put them on Granite Worktop savers, and trim them round with matt black painted wood trim....as described here with photos: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/your-system/bens-hifi?page=2

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yes it works really well, you can use it for light/air-con/security as well if you wanted to.

At the moment I just use one of the Logitech harmony remotes which is OK.

But the fact that this RTI gear works over your netwok is much better, everything is much more imediate & you don't have to sit there with your remote pointed at the system for 20-30 seconds while it tries to send signals to all the vaious devices. I'm also having dramas trying to get the Logitech reomte to work with the Primo, for some reason when I have the trigger to the 35p installed it stops working?

Plug in the remote processing unit (depends on how many components you want to control), run the little iR emmitters & stick them onto the unit's IR receiver. You have to buy a license to use the system on your iPad & then a programmer comes and does the final set-up. I'd say that you could manage this part yourself, but they don't sell the software to the general public only authorised installers.

Guess you just have to plan out exactly what functions you want before he comes so it can be done in one hit. Also do you want it only on one ipad or your wife's as well?