RS, please I genuinely do not understand your logic.
I am not trying to have a go but the statement is qualified by the phrase "if you want serious bass", is that not clear?
This is a rather silly argument, I prefer to talk about hi-fi and such, but it becomes pretty difficult if we are not speaking the same language.
I'd have thought it was pretty straightforward Dave. You've tried a lot of actives, if you want serious bass, the Mackies outperform anything under £1200. So have you heard all of the speakers under £1200 that do a good line in bass? At best it's wholly subjective and sums up where Alan Shaw was coming from in his blog the other day. All I'm doing is questioning your line of reasoning which is a pretty straight black and white statement.
In any case, all of this is moot as, much as I said in my first post on this thread, it depends on the OP's room size, budget and the options available to him are locally. The notion of what "deep bass" means to some people as opposed to others is highly relevant as well of course.
No argument Dave, but your comment about language is bang on. A lot of terms are interchangeable in hifi, but what you and I mean when we talk about bass, deep bass, clear treble, or the like, could be miles apart in practice.
RS, I agree it is hugely subjective but the suggestion that you have to hear everything available to express a view is nonsense, the forum may as well shut down if that is the case. I try very hard to say what I mean and try and use clear language so that my views are taken in context but clearly this is not always the case.
I consider myself pretty experienced, both in pro-audio and hi-fi, though I shall not bother you with my CV. Bass is a hugely contentious issue, unlike some posters I am not much interested in sub bass, I have 'done' the 'big driver in a wardrobe' scenario many years ago with some truly phenominal drive units including models from JBL, Gauss and the legendary Cerwin Vega 189ES and, quite frankly, I don't see the point outside of a club situation. Others like mango, clearly disagree.
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I didn't suggest you do Dave (need to hear everything), nor do I bother to hear much. Your comment stood out for the reasons already stated. Personally, in a typical UK lounge, mega-woofered speakers are a mistake. Give me good quality bass anyday.
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I thought you did, but that is a language issue that I don't want to get into again.
I most definitely agree that too much bass is a big mistake in a 'normal' room. Personally speaking the merest hint of overhang has me reaching for the off button and since I like, when I can, to play quite loud the control of the bass is everything.
Without wishing to get into another bunfight, this is one reason why, at the budget end of the market, I rather like active speakers.
In general I find them more controlled at the low end, particularly at higher volumes. The Mackies we have been talking about would not suit me for normal use, there are others that I think are much better allrounders, and I have mentioned these elsewhere.
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