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Cno,  I thing it is a very tight fight.  The Electro  has more power and dinamics. More detail and clarity and wider Sounstage but the Ayon is more intimate and has a so nice density and naturality.  I realy like the Electro but I do not think I will change it for the Ayon after today sesion. I want to have both,  dinamics and detail but keep the density and intimate of the Ayon.  is something like taht to get?? :?

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jajajaja yes. I have read about this AMP and I think it is very intersting but unfortunately not to get in Chile!!! wath about the Accuphase E-560 also Class A?

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Cno,  I thing it is a very tight fight.  The Electro  has more power and dinamics. More detail and clarity and wider Sounstage but the Ayon is more intimate and has a so nice density and naturality.  I realy like the Electro but I do not think I will change it for the Ayon after today sesion. I want to have both,  dinamics and detail but keep the density and intimate of the Ayon.  is something like taht to get?? :?

Musical Fidelity AMS 35i.  :shifty:

There you go again Cno..:)

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Cno,  I thing it is a very tight fight.  The Electro  has more power and dinamics. More detail and clarity and wider Sounstage but the Ayon is more intimate and has a so nice density and naturality.  I realy like the Electro but I do not think I will change it for the Ayon after today sesion. I want to have both,  dinamics and detail but keep the density and intimate of the Ayon.  is something like taht to get?? :?

 

Today I will get also a Naim Nac 202/Nap200/supercap to demo. Never heard a Naim. let see how it works wiht the SF.

I think you might prefer the older ECI5 MK1 to the MK2 , it has all the good points that you like but it has more of that valve like intimacy that you mention , I know I prefer the MK 1 for this reason but unfortunately they are only available second hand.

Electrocompaniet also modified the AW 120 DMB power amp that I own and called it the AW 2X120M and AW 3X120M to cater for the HT market and it lost a bit of what made it very special IMO

You could try the smaller ECI3 that has not been changed from the original , it is still very powerful and sounds wonderful .

 

 

 

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Only you can judge which amp will suit your taste best but the Electrocompaniet Eci5 mk2 will certainly drive the Cremonas easily and will sound extremely powerful , detailed and dynamic combining exceptional transient power  with the crystal clear mid / top and the sense of 'being there'  that Electrocompaniet is famous for .

I have not heard the other amps you list so I can't really comment on how they perform .

 

How does the EC1-3 compare with the 1-5?

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jajajaja yes. I have read about this AMP and I think it is very intersting but unfortunately not to get in Chile!!! wath about the Accuphase E-560 also Class A?

The Accuphase and Luxman Class A amps will be pretty similar.

A good SS Class A amp imo. gives the best hope of combining the characteristics you are looking for.....as well as a hybrid, like those from Pathos (the Logos or Inpol 2 spring to mind).

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There you go again Cno..:)

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The Accuphase and Luxman Class A amps will be pretty similar.

As will the Devialet, which is a Class A amp driving a slaved Class D power unit (hence the 110/170/240W ratings of the three Devialet models).

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The Accuphase and Luxman Class A amps will be pretty similar.

As will the Devialet, which is a Class A amp driving a slaved Class D power unit (hence the 110/170/240W ratings of the three Devialet models).

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Matt..have'nt heard the Devialet. How do you compare it with MF AMS 35i with a decent source,room acoustics,cabling etc..?

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Matt..have'nt heard the Devialet. How do you compare it with MF AMS 35i with a decent source,room acoustics,cabling etc..?

Hi Iceman,

I haven't heard them side by side. I lived with the AMS35i for a week in the summer, and I've heard both amps with the same speakers (Harbeth SHL5s, PMC Fact 8s, B&W 804s) and good sources (e.g. CDPs from Audio Research and Copland). From memory, I'd say the sound profile is very similar indeed. My feeling is that the MF has (or sounds as though it has) a slight "smile" to its frequency curve, whereas the Devialet's is as flat as Norfolk. I also think the Devialet has a lower noise floor. But the differences are, I think, very small.

I'd have been extremely happy with the MF, but the Devialet 170 is slightly better value (thanks to its oustanding built-in DAC), has a far better remote control, isn't rock ugly, and incorporates all sorts of wizardry for room correction etc. I run mine from a cheapo (£150) NAS drive via USB, which, as far as I can tell, sounds as good as the CD transports I've heard. Devialet really is a game-changer.

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Matt..have'nt heard the Devialet. How do you compare it with MF AMS 35i with a decent source,room acoustics,cabling etc..?

I haven't heard them side by side. I lived with the AMS35i for a week in the summer, and I've heard both amps with the same speakers (Harbeth SHL5s, PMC Fact 8s, B&W 804s) and good sources (e.g. CDPs from Audio Research and Copland). From memory, I'd say the sound profile is very similar indeed. My feeling is that the MF has (or sounds as though it has) a slight "smile" to its frequency curve, whereas the Devialet's is as flat as Norfolk. I also think the Devialet has a lower noise floor. But the differences are, I think, very small.

I'd have been extremely happy with the MF, but the Devialet 170 is slightly better value (thanks to its oustanding built-in DAC), has a far better remote control, isn't rock ugly, and incorporates all sorts of wizardry for room correction etc. I run mine from a cheapo (£150) NAS drive via USB, which, as far as I can tell, sounds as good as the CD transports I've heard. Devialet really is a game-changer.

If I'd heard anything that gave the AMS35i a run for its money, that didn't have the drawbacks (weight / remote / power consumption / heat).....I would have bought it. It's a great pity the Devialet wasn't an option. It really sounds like a game-changer, which doesn't happen very often. In your case, it saw off some seriously good competition.

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jajajaja yes. I have read about this AMP and I think it is very intersting but unfortunately not to get in Chile!!! wath about the Accuphase E-560 also Class A?

Singslinger is the man to comment on the E560, but all I can say if it combines that Class A beauty to the clarity and dynamics of their A/B range, you would be doing yourself a disservice if you didn't at least take a listen... O! and it doesn't run that hot.

 

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iceman16 wrote:

Matt..have'nt heard the Devialet. How do you compare it with MF AMS 35i with a decent source,room acoustics,cabling etc..?

I haven't heard them side by side. I lived with the AMS35i for a week in the summer, and I've heard both amps with the same speakers (Harbeth SHL5s, PMC Fact 8s, B&W 804s) and good sources (e.g. CDPs from Audio Research and Copland). From memory, I'd say the sound profile is very similar indeed. My feeling is that the MF has (or sounds as though it has) a slight "smile" to its frequency curve, whereas the Devialet's is as flat as Norfolk. I also think the Devialet has a lower noise floor. But the differences are, I think, very small.

I'd have been extremely happy with the MF, but the Devialet 170 is slightly better value (thanks to its oustanding built-in DAC), has a far better remote control, isn't rock ugly, and incorporates all sorts of wizardry for room correction etc. I run mine from a cheapo (£150) NAS drive via USB, which, as far as I can tell, sounds as good as the CD transports I've heard. Devialet really is a game-changer.

If I'd heard anything that gave the AMS35i a run for its money, that didn't have the drawbacks (weight / remote / power consumption / heat).....I would have bought it. It's a great pity the Devialet wasn't an option. It really sounds like a game-changer, which doesn't happen very often. In your case, it saw off some seriously good competition.

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ebentjerodt wrote:

Cno,  I thing it is a very tight fight.  The Electro  has more power and dinamics. More detail and clarity and wider Sounstage but the Ayon is more intimate and has a so nice density and naturality.  I realy like the Electro but I do not think I will change it for the Ayon after today sesion. I want to have both,  dinamics and detail but keep the density and intimate of the Ayon.  is something like taht to get?? :?

Musical Fidelity AMS 35i.  :shifty:

Hi Cno - I recently asked my local MF dealer about the AMS 35i and he thinks it may soon be discontinued. If so, then you've got a real collectors' item on your hands Hang on to it (though I'm guessing I don't need to tell you that!)

As for the Accuphase E-560, it is rated at just 30W into 8 ohms, so I'm not sure whether it would suitable for the Sonus Fabers. I used it with my ProAc K6 speakers, which are rated at a sensitvity of 90 dB/W/m and it worked very well. Are the SF's equally sensitive?

As for the sound, I'd describe it as full-bodied, very rhythmic and pacey; not necessarily warm or tube-like (if tubes are supposed to sound warm). Very musical, with plenty of detail.

It doesn't run very hot but does get quite warm and offers the additional benefit of tone controls, which to me are an absolute must because I can cut off bass boom in my room without having to stick all sorts of sound absorbent materials on the walls or ceiling.

Good luck!

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