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I would still like to see a manufacturer have the courage to go against 'fashion' and flip the width / depth proportions so that the cabinet has a wider front baffle and less front-to-back depth. These were the 'classic' proportions until relatively recently. I am convinced a wider front baffle used to give better stereo imaging.

Thanks for the review Major.  (And for introducing a new test criteria.)

...and easier positioning as well. I too would like to see this revert.

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I found the EB2's very light in the sneakers to be honest. At the time my supporting kit was all Cyrus which may explain this?

And the very fact that you've ditched it proves the point. If a Marantz can drive them then the Cyrus should've walked it but it didn't. Cyrus 8 if I remember correctly. What you've got now will more than adequately drive EB2 or indeed the new EB4 floorstander. Good choice of source components by the way.

 

Good memory sir! Is the EB4 out yet? I really, really liked the mids and highs of the EB2's but the low frequency element didn't work for me. I guess the EB4's might be worth trying as they will probably supply the bass I thought to be lacking in the EB2's. Actually, lacking bass is wrong. It was just too fast and tight for my ear.

Just looked at your kit list. What happened to the Kef R100s??. They didn't work either then?.

They were R300's and they were probably one of the best pairs of speakers that I have owned. So fast and with great low frequency stuff, but I got greedy and tried the R500's, then the R700's trying to get more but I got less..... of the agility anyway. Things were going away from where I wanted to be so I started to look around again. I ended up at Fanthorpes HiFi in Hull where after some tooing and frowing I settled on a pair of PMC PB1i's which made me very happy for a while. The IB2S's were an impulse purchase, (half the retail price on eBay), and they were a step up again, but in some ways a slghtl backward step as far as "my sound" is concerned.

We shall see however what the future holds! The EB4 sonds like a tempting prospect indeed!

I'm curious. Why dump Cyrus for Bryston. Did you find a "hole" in the sound you were trying to create or what?.

I upgraded my Cyrus setup and ended up with a pair of mono Cyrus power amplifiers. Three faulty pairs of said amps, combined with a "it's your electrics not our kit" response, did for me with Cyrus. Very shabby customer service IMHO. I figured go with a 20 year guarantee from Bryston and you can't go far wrong.

 

 

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Where do i put my name down to be an official tester for the new EB4s   :grin:

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I upgraded my Cyrus setup and ended up with a pair of mono Cyrus power amplifiers. Three faulty pairs of said amps, combined with a "it's your electrics not our kit" response, did for me with Cyrus. Very shabby customer service IMHO. I figured go with a 20 year guarantee from Bryston and you can't go far wrong.

EB4 will work great with Bryston. Please be aware that EB4 is not a ported design, it is an aperiodic. Works the same as EB2 but is a floorstander. There is a deeper bass but still has the speed and agility of the EB2. As soon as I'm happy with it I will put it on the website. Stay tuned.

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Where do i put my name down to be an official tester for the new EB4s   :grin:

 

Behave yerself!!!!. ROFL

In all fairness John, I suspect that EB4 may not work in your scenario. Although it is still technically a closed box, the footprint of it with the plinth may be a little too much for your space but we will see.

Look at him guys!!. Gone from down in the dumps to upgradeitis all in a fortnight. Very anti "Er Indoors". :grin:

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I know, I'm a bad boy :oops:

Thankfully SWMBO does not visit these forums lol.

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Truthfully though you're probably right that my room is not big enough for the EB4s. Still curious as to what they will sound like generally, given how good the EB2s are. 

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Truthfully though you're probably right that my room is not big enough for the EB4s. Still curious as to what they will sound like generally, given how good the EB2s are. 

Maybe I'll bring a pair up to you just to try. But you won't arf be in a muddle if they do work in your room won't you?? Smile

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Might have to sell a kidney. Meh...who needs two kidneys anyway, they're so overrated.

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chebby wrote:

I would still like to see a manufacturer have the courage to go against 'fashion' and flip the width / depth proportions so that the cabinet has a wider front baffle and less front-to-back depth. These were the 'classic' proportions until relatively recently. I am convinced a wider front baffle used to give better stereo imaging.

Thanks for the review Major.  (And for introducing a new test criteria.)

...and easier positioning as well. I too would like to see this revert.

Neat Petit SX?

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manicm wrote:

chebby wrote:

I would still like to see a manufacturer have the courage to go against 'fashion' and flip the width / depth proportions so that the cabinet has a wider front baffle and less front-to-back depth. These were the 'classic' proportions until relatively recently. I am convinced a wider front baffle used to give better stereo imaging.

Thanks for the review Major.  (And for introducing a new test criteria.)

...and easier positioning as well. I too would like to see this revert.

Neat Petit SX?

I can see what you mean ...

... their proportions look a lot more pleasing than some of their peers (to me at least).

(Almost the same proportions as my 1991 vintage JPW Sonatas.)

Although they are rear ported, so will still need more clearance than an infinite baffle cabinet.

Manicm's desire for "easier positioning" is not reflected in Neat's advice on the matter. (A starting point of 12" from the wall and 24" from corners and 20 degrees toe-in is suggested before individual 'experimentation'.)

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chebby wrote:

I would still like to see a manufacturer have the courage to go against 'fashion' and flip the width / depth proportions so that the cabinet has a wider front baffle and less front-to-back depth. These were the 'classic' proportions until relatively recently. I am convinced a wider front baffle used to give better stereo imaging.

Thanks for the review Major.  (And for introducing a new test criteria.)

The benefit of a closed box is the fact that it can be played off a wall with minimal room interactions. The proportions will obviously be larger than even the ones below but they don't qualify because they are ported and once ported, the dimensions become irrelevant. True, the speakers below look nice and nearer to the classic proportions of yesteryear but once you introduce that port, whether front or rear or a transmission line, you are coupling the room to the internal volume of the cabinets. This means moving away from a wall. not where I'm coming from.

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steve_1979 wrote:

Hi Richard. Is there any news on those active speakers that you were working on a while ago?

Just to update you Steve, there will be a powered version of EB2 for the studio market called the ER2. This will not be a truly active design. It will use saddle-back amps that the engineer can plug directly into the desk. This keeps all the attributes of EB2 but allows engineers to use them in a pro environment.

The active upgrade for all the EB models and the new Arcaydis FS1 floorstander is a little way off yet. Loads of PCBs to design and etch. Hence September Launch. This active upgrade is intended for the HiFi market and will be accompanied by a digital / analogue pre-amp. Like I said, I'll keep you posted.

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