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I remember the thread (back in January 2010) where we were all invited to suggest ideas for Richard's next loudspeaker after the success of his EB1s.

I almost ordered a pair once when I had my Naim system. I sold my nSats to help raise the money, bought a cheap pair of 'place markers' (MS20i Pearl Editions) to use whilst waiting, but then decided to sell the entire system and go in a different direction completely.

I miss not having had the opportunity to try the EB2s. They are - after all - something i've been banging on about for years (infinite baffle speakers, with a decent sized bass/mid driver, that don't cost a fortune).

Almost.

I would still like to see a manufacturer have the courage to go against 'fashion' and flip the width / depth proportions so that the cabinet has a wider front baffle and less front-to-back depth. These were the 'classic' proportions until relatively recently. I am convinced a wider front baffle used to give better stereo imaging.

Thanks for the review Major.  (And for introducing a new test criteria.)

 

 

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I remember the thread (back in January 2010) where we were all invited to suggest ideas for Richard's next loudspeaker after the success of his EB1s.

I almost ordered a pair once when I had my Naim system. I sold my nSats to help raise the money, bought a cheap pair of 'place markers' (MS20i Pearl Editions) to use whilst waiting, but then decided to sell the entire system and go in a different direction completely.

I miss not having had the opportunity to try the EB2s. They are - after all - something i've been banging on about for years (infinite baffle speakers, with a decent sized bass/mid driver, that don't cost a fortune).

Almost.

I would still like to see a manufacturer have the courage to go against 'fashion' and flip the width / depth proportions so that the cabinet has a wider front baffle and less front-to-back depth. These were the 'classic' proportions until relatively recently. I am convinced a wider front baffle used to give better stereo imaging.

Thanks for the review Major.  (And for introducing a new test criteria.)

 

 

 

I'm with you on that chebby. I personally would love to see someone do a modern day version of the speakers I have. EB acoustics could possibly be just the company to do it?????

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I would still like to see a manufacturer have the courage to go against 'fashion' and flip the width / depth proportions so that the cabinet has a wider front baffle and less front-to-back depth. These were the 'classic' proportions until relatively recently. I am convinced a wider front baffle used to give better stereo imaging.

OK. I'll do it Chebby. Got the drive units to do it here anyway but they're not cheap. SEAS bass units. I'll keep you informed. :shifty:

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I would still like to see a manufacturer have the courage to go against 'fashion' and flip the width / depth proportions so that the cabinet has a wider front baffle and less front-to-back depth. These were the 'classic' proportions until relatively recently. I am convinced a wider front baffle used to give better stereo imaging.

OK. I'll do it Chebby. Got the drive units to do it here anyway but they're not cheap. SEAS bass units. I'll keep you informed. :shifty:

I knew you wanted to. As you said when I raised the question here previously ...

"There is an equation, although the exact maths escape me at the moment, as to the width and the depth of a loudspeaker. The ratio, I believe, is the diameter of the driver vs the width of the cabinet. Ideally, the cabinet should be wider than it is deep. This is to allow for ' diffraction'. Unfortunately, 'Er Indoors' dictated that loudspeakers should have a slimmer profile so, because of market forces, we went there. As was previously posted, these became reflex designs (with all the shortcomings), but the ideal is wider than depth."

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Thanks for all the replies and kind comments. As you probably guess I have been putting some time into ensuring the speakers are - erm - properly run in  Wink Oh and the cat sends his regards. 

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I found the EB2's very light in the sneakers to be honest. At the time my supporting kit was all Cyrus which may explain this?

And the very fact that you've ditched it proves the point. If a Marantz can drive them then the Cyrus should've walked it but it didn't. Cyrus 8 if I remember correctly. What you've got now will more than adequately drive EB2 or indeed the new EB4 floorstander. Good choice of source components by the way.

 

Good memory sir! Is the EB4 out yet? I really, really liked the mids and highs of the EB2's but the low frequency element didn't work for me. I guess the EB4's might be worth trying as they will probably supply the bass I thought to be lacking in the EB2's. Actually, lacking bass is wrong. It was just too fast and tight for my ear.

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Gazzip wrote:

I found the EB2's very light in the sneakers to be honest. At the time my supporting kit was all Cyrus which may explain this?

And the very fact that you've ditched it proves the point. If a Marantz can drive them then the Cyrus should've walked it but it didn't. Cyrus 8 if I remember correctly. What you've got now will more than adequately drive EB2 or indeed the new EB4 floorstander. Good choice of source components by the way.

 

Good memory sir! Is the EB4 out yet? I really, really liked the mids and highs of the EB2's but the low frequency element didn't work for me. I guess the EB4's might be worth trying as they will probably supply the bass I thought to be lacking in the EB2's. Actually, lacking bass is wrong. It was just too fast and tight for my ear.

No, you were right the 1st time. EB with Cyrus 8 sounds crap!. Works with Cyrus 6 tho ( still haven't figured that one out ). Anyway, that's by the by. The fact that it works with a Marantz proves this. Even I was surprised by the sound that Major's got. His lounge isn't the biggest in the world and the way his sytem is set up wouldn't be my ideal choice but hey!, it's one of the best sounds I've EVER heard from either EB1 or 2. With Bryston you can be assured not only of the delivery to the speakers but also and most importantly the control that it will exhibit. hope to hear from you at some point. Keep watching the website for EB4.

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As you probably guess I have been putting some time into ensuring the speakers are - erm - properly run in  Wink 

OK Major. Are you sure they're run in now?? :roll:

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:grin:  I'm not sure mate, I'm thinking I need to squeeze in a few more CDs before the Mrs returns tomorrow, you know, just make absolutely sure they're run in properly*.  I mean, you can't be too cautious about these things can you.  :rockout: :rockout: Dance 4 :dance:

*not that I'm just using that as a lame excuse to listen to more music on my new speakers... :oops:

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:grin:  I'm not sure mate, I'm thinking I need to squeeze in a few more CDs before the Mrs returns tomorrow, you know, just make absolutely sure they're run in properly*.  I mean, you can't be too cautious about these things can you.  :rockout: :rockout: Dance 4 :dance:

*not that I'm just using that as a lame excuse to listen to more music on my new speakers... :oops:

Tsk tsk. (shakes head ) :wall:

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Richard Allen wrote:

Gazzip wrote:

I found the EB2's very light in the sneakers to be honest. At the time my supporting kit was all Cyrus which may explain this?

And the very fact that you've ditched it proves the point. If a Marantz can drive them then the Cyrus should've walked it but it didn't. Cyrus 8 if I remember correctly. What you've got now will more than adequately drive EB2 or indeed the new EB4 floorstander. Good choice of source components by the way.

 

Good memory sir! Is the EB4 out yet? I really, really liked the mids and highs of the EB2's but the low frequency element didn't work for me. I guess the EB4's might be worth trying as they will probably supply the bass I thought to be lacking in the EB2's. Actually, lacking bass is wrong. It was just too fast and tight for my ear.

Just looked at your kit list. What happened to the Kef R100s??. They didn't work either then?.

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:grin:  I'm not sure mate, I'm thinking I need to squeeze in a few more CDs before the Mrs returns tomorrow, you know, just make absolutely sure they're run in properly*.  I mean, you can't be too cautious about these things can you.  :rockout: :rockout: Dance 4 :dance:

*not that I'm just using that as a lame excuse to listen to more music on my new speakers... :oops:

Tsk tsk. (shakes head ) :wall:

 

Well you know how it is, any excuse to get some more music on  :grin:

 

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The fact that it works with a Marantz proves this. Even I was surprised by the sound that Major's got. His lounge isn't the biggest in the world and the way his sytem is set up wouldn't be my ideal choice but hey!, it's one of the best sounds I've EVER heard from either EB1 or 2.

I've been doing a bit of tweaking with positioning, sounds even better now!

I couldn't resist having a go with my Cyrus 2+PSX. I was a bit wary because I thought the different tonal balance between the Cyrus 2 and the Marantz would make the speakers sound too foward. Tbh it was a lot better than I expected, and might even be preferrable if my main musical diet was classical, solo guitar/piano or jazz. The midrange detail and soundstage is staggering. But the Marantz is a better allrounder with these speakers.

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So what you done then John?

You haven't got an awful lot of room to play with. :?

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Richard Allen wrote:

Gazzip wrote:

Richard Allen wrote:

Gazzip wrote:

I found the EB2's very light in the sneakers to be honest. At the time my supporting kit was all Cyrus which may explain this?

And the very fact that you've ditched it proves the point. If a Marantz can drive them then the Cyrus should've walked it but it didn't. Cyrus 8 if I remember correctly. What you've got now will more than adequately drive EB2 or indeed the new EB4 floorstander. Good choice of source components by the way.

 

Good memory sir! Is the EB4 out yet? I really, really liked the mids and highs of the EB2's but the low frequency element didn't work for me. I guess the EB4's might be worth trying as they will probably supply the bass I thought to be lacking in the EB2's. Actually, lacking bass is wrong. It was just too fast and tight for my ear.

Just looked at your kit list. What happened to the Kef R100s??. They didn't work either then?.

They were R300's and they were probably one of the best pairs of speakers that I have owned. So fast and with great low frequency stuff, but I got greedy and tried the R500's, then the R700's trying to get more but I got less..... of the agility anyway. Things were going away from where I wanted to be so I started to look around again. I ended up at Fanthorpes HiFi in Hull where after some tooing and frowing I settled on a pair of PMC PB1i's which made me very happy for a while. The IB2S's were an impulse purchase, (half the retail price on eBay), and they were a step up again, but in some ways a slghtl backward step as far as "my sound" is concerned.

We shall see however what the future holds! The EB4 sonds like a tempting prospect indeed!

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So what you done then John?

You haven't got an awful lot of room to play with. :?

Moved each one about four inches further away from the TV plus toed them in ever so slightly to help reduce reflections of adjacent furniture. The imaging was damn good before but now it's absolutely snapped into focus. 

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