I'm completely EDITED off with my system. Fed up with a cheap piece of EDITED. Totally EDITED up the whole ambience and feel. EDITED.
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Well I do keep offering you my PMCs...
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It's because he's not using an Apple product as a source...
David @Frank Harvey Hi-Fi, Coventry
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I've found the sonic differences between power amps on highly efficient and easy to drive speakers to be relatively small. Smaller than the differences between vinyl sources. Smaller than the differences between speakers.
Was not my and my brother's conclusion mate. When our insurance company tried to replace our stolen Technics amp with a cheaper, inferior one, the difference was immediately and simultaneously noticed by the two of us. I was a teenager and I knew what Bryan Ferry's Slave To Love should have sounded like on vinyl. And in those days ABX testing was not in vogue. And our speakers were the easiest things to drive.
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What can you hear that can't be measured?
In terms of hifi the sound stage, scale the 3dness of the image, the depth of that image produced between the two speakers and quite a bit more actually.
Anyhoo, can someone explain the point of level matching two amps in any sort of test what would that prove, its like Top Gear (a popular motoring program on the BBC) testing cars on its tracks with the proviso they must achieve 30mph in no less and no more than 10secs and then complete the remainder of the lap at 30mph no more no less - the times would all be the same be it a f1 car or a 1970's austin allegro..... thats stupid.
That Harbeth test is a joke a laweyer must have written it up.
If you geninly believe all amps sound the same or differences are subtle at "a fixed level" ...seriously you should buy yourself a transistor radio or a mono cassette recorder and live long and prosper playing them at fixed levels. Play your kit at what ever levels you want but don't presume your budget amp can compare to more exotic kit. quality speakers WILL expose your budget equ - amps do not sound the same.
CNOevil speaks sense, listen, trust your ears and while I don't always agree with WHFI's verdict their method for testing kit is the best way.
Oh, I'm confident I could pass ABX test's ......I'd put money on it, a good amount too.
Everyone believes that they can pass ABX tests until they fail one. Although I suspect I'm banging my head needlessly - it's not your ears that fool you - it's your brain that does that. Just like everyone else that listens to music. If your brain didn't do such a good job at fooling you, music would sound incomprehensible! All our senses get "fooled" - they wouldn't work otherwise!
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....and euphoniousness, but certainly melliflousness.
Just you wait, they'll devise measurements for these things too
Maybe we should all buy a £50 system from Argos and be done with it, because it sounds like we're all letting ourselves be fooled and are too stupid to know.
I know - you're a gentleman.
You really don't fully appreciate what you have until its gone.
They paved paradise and put up, well, a Tescos.
We all know this forum has software to edit out bad language. What's the chances of WHF developing a BS detector.
They have an emoticon. That's a start! It goes like (I know a horse isn't a bull, but it's good enough for me )
I think you are probably wasting your time. There are a lot of people who post here who truly believe that their ears/brains can't be fooled.
Well, if you replaced the cheap speakers with good ones you might be surprised....
Surely the better the Hifi system the less your brain needs to fool which allows you to relax and enjoy without your brain having to work so hard fooling you .
This may be why people want to upgrade their systems from one that produces an almost incomprehensible sound to one that does not make your brain hurt .
The less you are fooled the better you feel ( hear )
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"Everything should be as simple as possible, but no simpler." Albert Einstein .
But if it does not sound good on your expensive system then your brain will hurt. Best to stick to a cheap system and then not worry.
Just sell your expensive stuff, buy something cheap, expect it to sound better, and you're sorted
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