If I had a 200W amp. I would not play it at 200W I would probably play at around 1w to 10W!
Then why the hell buy a 200w amp in the first place?
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Try listening to a pair of ATC SCM40s with a budget 100 watt amp and then again with an ATC or Perreaux amp. If you can't tell the difference you must be half deaf. Yes amps do make a difference. Different speakers need to be driven by different types of amps.
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Not everything can be explained by science. The appreciation of music. Scientists will tell you it's all brain chemicals and wot-not but there is something deeper and more eternal than that. When you look into your son or daughters eyes, when a kind act or deed happens, a birth, a marriage, a death, music can be like that and that emotional stuff can't be measured scientifically. If science is your only guide in life I pity you and if science governs your appreciation of music then you are missing out.I read these forums daily and think that a lot here are hi-fi lovers primarily and music lovers next.
I completely agree that the music itself is all about the emotional experience which has little to do with science. But I also understand that the electrical equipment that is used to play the music is designed and built using well known scientific engineering principles which have nothing to do with emotion.
Watching a film is also an emotional experience. But the TV that you watch it on is just a piece electrical equipment that has also been designed and built using well known scientific engineering principles which have nothing to do with emotion.
It's the media which provides you with the emotional experience. The TV or hifi equipment is just a means with which to reproduce it (some do this job better than others though). These are two very seperate things and should not be mixed up.
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I completely agree that the music itself is all about the emotional experience which has little to do with science. But I also understand that the electrical hifi equipment that is used to play the music is designed and built using well known scientific engineering principles which have nothing to do with emotion.
Maybe some people just don't hear and feel the same energy and emotional content in the music as others. Perhaps a better amp to one person is a waste of time where as to another person it's a little step closer to getting to the heart of the music.
While most of the music only requires a relatively low power level to reproduce it, it also has very short dynamic peaks which will require much more power.
99% percent of the time your amplifier will only be using a few watts of power to reproduce the sound effectively but every time a loud drum beat plays (for example) there will be a very short dynamic peak that may only last for a few milliseconds but this dynamic peak will require much more power for it to be reproduced without clipping. So while you only need a few watts for 99% of the time the 1% where you need more power will still be occurring very regularly but only for very short bursts.
I think this is probably correct.
The arguments then start with absolutist statements like:
"Expensive amps are nothing more than OTT trinkets"
"You can't get a decent sound unless you get an expensive amp"
Nb. These are simply examples, and not actual quotes, or aimed at anyone in particular.
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Personally I'm both a subjectivist and objectivist. Most of the time I enjoy listening to music on a hifi system the has the minimal amont of distortion possible which is why I tend to like brands like Quested, AVI and Genelec the best.
I see you as an Objectivist, but with potential.
I'm more of a open minded objectivist who doesn't take anything for granted and likes to try things out for myself wherever possible.
Places actually exist where that can get you derided, or even banned.
Me too. Be sceptical, be open minded. And listen, listen, listen.
What classical music are you listening to?
Oooh where? Let me know so I can go and annoy them with my open minded objectiveness.
That seems to imply a subjectivist enjoys music more. I'm sure I'd be called an objectivist but I can guarantee I've spent more time on my system than 99% of the people here. Hours and hours of making acoustic panels, then many more hours on testing them to get everything as good as it can be. Even more hours of fielding angry objections from my wife.
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I couldn't possibly say, as I'd worry that it would all end in tears....and what's the point of that?
Even more hours of fielding angry objections from my wife.
That is certainly a good indication of the tremendous effort you're putting in.
Good job, Sir.
Sorry Cno but with the deepest of respect, that is complete bulls**t.
It is about as accurate as the contention that all passive speakers 'boom and tizz' and that all studio monitor types are 'harsh and forward'.
Sure there are some (people and speakers) that fit those stereotypes but really........
Apologies again, no offence meant, I normally hold your posts in high regard.
Absolutely no offense taken, as this is simply how I see things....it will be interesting to see if anyone else agrees with me. If I can't get you to agree with my point, then I haven't made it well enough....and therein lies an interesting challange.
Yes it's a generalization, but I feel it has some merit. It's played out over and over again on this forum.....Eg. Anyone hearing a difference in a cable will soon have folk with a science based background, lining up to tell them it's impossible.
It is certainly more often the case with people (usually from a science background) who don't go and hear for themselves, as logic (and science) tells them it's impossible, so there is no point. This btw, is not meant as a crticism, but a personal observation.
You are the exception to the rule, as you've lived and breathed it. You have taken nothing for granted and come to your own conclusions, which are based on a mixture of science and personal experience / experimentation.
Thanks for taking my rather firmly expressed comments in the spirit they were intended.
Just to expand slightly, I think that anyone with a reasonable grounding in science and scientific method will understand that a hi-fi system is a pretty complex piece of electro mechanicle engineering that, under dynamic conditions, behave in ways that do not, at first sight, make sense.
To say that such events do not happen shows a lack of scientific knowledge, just as we blythly consider the parallel connection of two 8 ohm loudspeakers to result in a 4 ohm impedence, we think we know how everything works and interacts. Mostly we simplt don't, a little scientific knowledge, poorly applied can be a very dangerous thing.
Similarly there is enough information available on the mechanism and psycology of hearing for anyone to understand that our perception of what we are hearing can be very wrong, but that does not mean that we can not hear real differences in different hi-fi components. What it does mean is that we need to be wary of what we hear and not draw wide ranging conclusions from what is in reality, erronious data.
In my experience, with a few exceptions usually to be found 'in another place', people with a real understanding of scientific method are much less dogmatic than non scientists.
To quote a famous american....
There are things that we know we know,
There are things we know we do not know,
And there are things we don't know that we do not know, and most of these are found in hi-fi systems.
We do so many shows in a row,
And these towns all look the same,
We just pass the time in our hotel room
And wander 'round backstage,
Till the lights come up, and we hear that crowd,
And we remember why we came.
No worries. I was just kidding.
I never annoy people deliberately anyway (it's just a gift that happens naturally without me needing to try ).
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