thompsonuxb back in his own world where the realms of physics and science bend around his ears :D Fantastic reading
It's a logical point as one is 'better' but you might as well make your decision based on which amplifier is the most aerodynamic or has the most buoyancy.
I (like most people in this thread I imagine) am only interested in whether there's any discernible difference between two devices used at domestic listening levels.
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Expand on that Cheeseboy.....how does what I say go against the norm in real world terms?
You have your 40w 500pound amp driven to its peek just before distortion you have your 200w 2000pound driven in the same way, do you think they'll sound the same through a pair of quality speakers. Do you believe scale, imaging, depth, harmonics etc will be the same.
c'mon, tell me how this is in my own world - tell me why my physics and science differs from everyone elses.
Then like was said before, you may aswell buy the cheapest set you can get.................
you constantly refuse to listen to or engage in any discussion when your magic ears are called in to question. Only to come back with the lines about how you can hear the difference so it must be true, even though you acknowledge that your ears are fallible, you seem to want to trust them...
Doesn't matter what I believe, because you can *hear* the difference.
Just re-read most of the threads you've contributed in, and as before, people have pointed out to you many many times that you refuse to believe in things like Expectation bias, which has been proven scientifically.
Look, if your ears at that good, go and seek out James Randi and do his testing prize, then come back and tell us what the deal is, but at the moment people come along with reasoned arguments and nine times out of ten you just say "rubbish, I can hear the difference and I won't do any of the online things that prove my ears are fallible because I know what I hear, even though I know that when I move my head things sound different, it must be the cables" etc, and repeat ad infinitum.
Like I say, go seek out the prize and prove what you say.
What the he,,,,,!!? Look at the post I've been involved with and what?
Lets take this post post for example a man is asking do more expensive amps make a difference, I say yes they do they will control your speakers in a way cheaper budget amps will not. Regardless if you like the sound they produce or not, thats personal to each individual - bottom line is you'll get what you pay for.
In the past I have openly challenged members to get together and have a simple comparisson test, yes it may not be practical but I know my points would be proven correct if we did come together this as nothing to do with magic ears but fact
Stereo is an illusion, its two boxes producing sound fed to them, yet they can produce a 3d image with tangible presence before you. I know its an illusion but I can enjoy it for what it is without needing to understand the science behind it I therefore will aknowledge differences in components, cables I have no problem with that.
alot thats written on the net is guff you want to believe knowing what you yourself can hear for yourself....good luck with that.
Just to close on this, there was a thread the other week were in an article some bloke claimed he could get two different amps to sound the same, remember it - it transpires in this article that he gutted one amp more or less replaced all its inards to achieve this task and it was accepted by the author as a success.....I mean it was considered a success, and accepted by some.
Look, Cheeseboy, this is a forum, its entertainment, its not life or death - like everyone else I just contribute to it, c'mon, theres no need for this hostility.
Point of order Thompson.
I assume you are referring to the Carver challenge, in which case you are wrong in fact.
The amplifier was not "gutted" in any way, in fact the design and the circuit was not changed at all. Some component values were changed so that the amplifier was 'voiced' to sound the same as the reference using a 'nulling' technique.
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So why did you say: "Er...no, you're the troll & a rubbish one at that."
naaah the amp was gutted he even changed the PSU which prompted me to raise a thread how important is the PSU.....
Bottom line the amp was modified.quite alot too.
...I don't know exactly what Harbeth was specifying when it said level matching but in most tests that are carried out (like on the matrix site) the only level matching is the volume.
Yes it's the volume levels of the two amplifiers that Harbeth was referring to.
This can roughly be done by ear but to do it accurately you would need to use a voltmeter and to make sure that the output of both amplifiers is exactly matched.
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Yep and depending on how said amps volume is attinuated it could cripple one... stupid test.
SO you would play 1 at 200w and one at 35W, yes they would sound different, in fact at 200w it maybe quite painful in some rooms, how is that a good comparison. Why not play both at 20W? Or 85db or whatever measurement you want to use?
Maybe I should've qualified my (sarcastic) statement with a smiley face - it wasn't direct at you, just to those who think ABX is the only way forward
ABX testing has it's limitations and it won't tell you which sounds the best. However ABX testing is the most reliable method to test whether your ears can hear any difference between two things.
With ABX testing it's worth bearing in mind that just because you may not be able to hear any difference it doesn't necessarily mean there there isn't any difference.
I fear you have missed the point of the test. You are trying to work out if X is A or if X is B.
It is nothing to do with which one is better, it is simply to identify if there's a difference between A and B.
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