As mentioned, it depends on your definition of "high-end" but, IME, irrespective of music-type, the more high-end the setup, the more dynamic and building-shaking the mids and low-end bass - almost to the point of becoming spooky.
This is how I interpret the ranges.. Per component.. Ie amp (all in), Source, speakers etc
Entry level: £200-350
Mid range: £500-800
high end (entry): £1200-1600
high end (mid): £2500-3000
high end (high): £5000-9000
high end (dream): £15k+
all the amps I have listened too are between £1650 and £3250..
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Fortunately, ... enjoyment has nothing to do with 'ranges' or how much (or little) is spent as can be read on forums all over the place.
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I miss the 'fun' sound that i got from my old entry level hifi ie. listening to punk/rock/hardcore/hip hop/electronic/Prodigy etc generally energetic music and don't have that sound that makes you want to dance along to it.. I've heard that this is because cheaper amps have a boost in the lower mids and high end amps are flat and accurate to the source.
I think I know what you mean. Is it maybe what other folk would class as bass boom or mid-bass bloom? If so, I like it too. Well, a little bit... sometimes!
The first time I heard a truly high-end system I wondered where the bass was, then realised the bass was there but it wasn't the sort of bass I was used to. It was incredibly low, it just wasn't 'boomy'. Very different to the sort of bass you'd get from a typical club/PA system or even a car stereo. You've not been a car audio fan at some point?
As others have said, Cyrus has a reputation for being a little clinical, not sure if that's the case, but it may be worth trying something else. Maybe try bigger speakers, or an amp with tone controls? I sometimes turn up the bass on my amp and take the foam bungs out of my speakers. Does the job!
A good, bad or great sounding system is good, bad or great irrespective of the price.
An awful lot of the so called high end audiophile stuff doesn't sound anything special to me. Yet I've heard loads of £2000-£3000 systems that absolutely rock yer socks off.
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Depends on the makes. I personally think, to my ears, Cyrus grates with me. They are IMO too precise or analytical and takeaway an element of fun.
This is the main reason I love Leema: They aren't quite as precise as some other makes, but I've likened the Pulse to a puppy dog. Certainly puts the smile back on the face.
Never heard Leema sounds more like what i'm after..
Any other suggestions?
Leema for one. Add Creek Evo2, the older Roksan Kandy LIII (if poss), Rotel RA-06SE... these tend to make you listen to the music rather than analysing every strand.
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I think you need to head to the nearest plank shop and get a P Bass and 500w worth of Trace Elliot :)Do not pass Go, and do not collect any hi-end gear!
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Steve 1979 - Yes mate you do for sure! I LOVE punk rock as well and part of the live experience is chest thumping bass form the PA so kinda want that at least to some extent.. I listened to Smack my EDITED up when it was in my old (terrible acoustics granted) room and when the bass dropped I felt like a kid who'd been given grapes for christmas..
I've got the best sounding system for rock that I've ever had! depends on the definition of "high end" of course, but this M2 is a belter for that type of music.
I did audition the M2 Briefly and was comparing to a 8 xpd qx and it was def more 'fun' that that Cyrus.. The Pre/Power was a lot bassier and fuller alround than the 8 int. and prob on par with M2 basswise.. Floorstanders will obvioulsy make a difference but tried the MF M6i with B&W's CM8's at the weekend and sounded pretty wet still.. Any high companys that have a big more grunt?? I tried a quad that was very bassy but was loose and uncontrolled..
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Yeah I bet!! Won't have the room size for big like that.. Bet they sound good!! I liked the M6i sounded surprisingly similar to mine.. Gonna try r300's I think
still wanna hear the AMS35i though and no one stocks it prob a good job considering the price
Nothing wrong with your X Power you just want more of them.
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Haha true!.. Also I use Cyrus interconnect (which i've heard can be bright) between pre and power which i'll try other combos.. The listening room I will have for the next year or so is only 3.2m x 2.4m, Small i know but acoustically decent.. So think floorstanders are out the question Bassy bookshelves and PV1 will be fine
Great amp for the money the M6i, it's a safe bet. Heard it once with some Audio Physics and it was brilliant and impressive...
If you like the M6i I would suggest not to listen to the AMS35i as it is much better in every aspect...but let's be fair the two do not compete in the same league
If you pay a visit to our belgium club I will be happy to show you wat's is capable of
I just wan't to ad a fiew tings....
I' honestly shure almost all gear can sound good or great carfully matched with the other componds.
You read my tread you said so you know I'm a huge fan of the M6i to me It was better than almost anny amp I tested under 6000€ including the M6 500i witch Alex an I found to analitical (but than it depends what your afther of course) from all the amps we heard under 6000€ there is only one I would consider exepthe m6i an that is the Sugden masterclass but it's costing more than dubble the price....
Regarding the bass I know what you mean I head the same feeling at first....
The best I can discribe the problem is most High end kits (Suposing mine is considered one) Are adding a more deep roomfillin Dramatic effect on the low so in (but I'm also asking my self the question if this is due to the class A contruction)
So I think it loses a bit of this fast & dryer agressivety we are used to certenly on electronics I had this on par ex the "a live 1997" of Daft punk this is les on studieo albums I have of andy c an boyz of noise... an a lot of others...
Imo this is not a problem on most rock albums
if it's wel recorded I say this because I'm also a fan of the foo's an Guns an Roses an I noticed that the greatest hits of bove sound like rubbish (deu of the comression I guess) but the cd I bought in the 90' sound great....go explain....., but what shure is that that trilling effect get real fun there....
btw now with recording I feel doesn't sound to my taste on my HIFI Iplay them on my HT that usually do the trick an dam well....
But I can imagine you might not wan a go on that road......
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A bit of a curve ball here.
Have a listen to some Event Opal active monitors. They're brilliant speakers for rock/rave (and anything else too) and they have finely adjustable bass controls built in. They're some of the most clear and detailed speakers that I've ever heard and you won't need a sub because these do proper loud and deep bass which doesn't sound slow or muddy like many subs do.
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