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Do all high end amps loose the 'fun' sound in the bass/lower mids?

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I miss the 'fun' sound that i got from my old entry level hifi ie. listening to punk/rock/hardcore/hip hop/electronic/Prodigy etc generally energetic music and don't have that sound that makes you want to dance along to it.. I've heard that this is because cheaper amps have a boost in the lower mids and high end amps are flat and accurate to the source.

Or is it that typical high end buyers listen too Classical/jazz etc so taylored to a 'natural' sound and cut/soften certain frequncies so it sounds more airy? It doesn't seem to matter what amp/speaker combo's i try the lower mids don't make me want to drum along etc.. I tried my setup with a sub and It just made it sound muddy.. It was only a tiny rel in a big room so maybe i should try a bigger amp.. 

 

Any help/advise would be great... Starting to do my head in as only music recorded perfectly to suit the amp sounds good.. I'd love to hear a FM Acoustics Linearizer as i think this would solve all my problems as you can boost/dip certain frequencies without affecting the signal with zero feedback/distortion.. Buty i think they're silly money and haven't e-mailed me back..

 

Any thoughts welcome.. GO! Laughing out loud

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RE: he bass/lower mids?

Maybe we're just getting old  silenced

TBH, when I pump up the volume I still want to cut loose, so I don't think more expensive get does necessarily lose the fun aspect. Living in an apartment rather than a house means that I'm a bit more wary about neighbours, etc.

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I miss the 'fun' sound that i got from my old entry level hifi ie. listening to punk/rock/hardcore/hip hop/electronic/Prodigy etc generally energetic music and don't have that sound that makes you want to dance along to it.. I've heard that this is because cheaper amps have a boost in the lower mids and high end amps are flat and accurate to the source.

Hi BigColz. Smile

I'm not sure if most cheap amps have a boost in the lower mids. Maybe some do? I don't know.

If you want a boost in lower mids / upper bass why don't you borrow a graphic equalizer from somewhere and see how it sounds in your system? I sometimes find that a slight boost of about 1dB at 100-120Hz can sound good with alot of modern rock music such as the Foo Fighters which is mixed a bit too bright IMO.

With electronic dance (I like hard trance, dub step, The Prodigy and Pendulum) I don't use a graphic equalizer. Instead I prefer to turn up the volume on my sub which increases everything from 80Hz and below. rockin out

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No offence meant by this,

No offence meant by this, this is just an observation from the many years...but maybe you've forgotten how to listen to music without all the equipment getting in the way?

 

When you had you original stereo, I'm guessing you didn't really care about "fun" sound etc, and just listened to music? If so, it's probably why your enjoyment was probably greater.  The second you start to listen to how things are recorded, and if you've ever bought leads or whatever to make your music different, then one has stopped listening to the music as whole and started listening to the equipment if that makes any sense whatsoever, as it is a monday Smile

 

Although this may not apply to you, in which case please ignore it all Smile

 

 

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RE: Do all high end amps loose the 'fun' ?

Depends on the makes. I personally think, to my ears, Cyrus grates with me. They are IMO too precise or analytical and takeaway an element of fun.

This is the main reason I love Leema: They aren't quite as precise as some other makes, but I've likened the Pulse to a puppy dog. Certainly puts the smile back on the face.

 

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I've just noticed that you have a Cyrus amp which I believe have a reputation for being a bit bright. Maybe you could try a few other amps to see how they sound with your speakers.

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I sometimes find that a slight boost of about 1dB at 100-120Hz can sound good with alot of modern rock music such as the Foo Fighters which is mixed a bit too bright IMO.

 

Yeah precisely!! Thankyou.. Green Day also mixed ridiculously bright.. A lot of people say around 140 is a good boost for rock so that also sounds about right.. Apparently EQ's can mess the signal a bit but I think it is less noticable in the lower frequencies.. I have a mac mini hooked up to my amp too so may give it a go later, obviously won't sound as good as my streamer but could give me an idea.. Love my kit but just want this one thing sorted adn don't think partnering kit is going to change it enough! 

 

May get a PV1 for Dubstep/Electro-House etc!!!  >) beauty, eh

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Look at the bright side. In another twenty years your music taste will be more catholic and you will enjoy what your boxes do.

 

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I have a mac mini hooked up to my amp too so may give it a go later, obviously won't sound as good as my streamer but could give me an idea..

If you connect the Macs optical output to the Cyrus DAC then you shouldn't lose any sound quality because the Cyrus will be doing the D/A conversion.

The iTunes EQ is also very good too - I'd be very surprised if you can hear any loss in sound quality when using it.

 

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May get a PV1 for Dubstep/Electro-House etc!!! >) beauty, eh

You have to feel rave music aswell as hear it IMO. It doesn't have to be played loud but it does need excessive amounts of bass.

 beauty, eh

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RE: Do all mids?

I've got the best sounding system for rock that I've ever had! depends on the definition of "high end" of course, but this M2 is a belter for that type of music.

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RE: Do all high end amps loose the 'fun' sound

I think it's a lot to with recordings.  Engineers will make recordings sound good on the most common type of equipment and that tends not to be hifi kit.  Classical recordings tend to be neutral trying to capture the ambience of a concert hall (or church or wherever).  Hifi kit tends to be neutral too and it can expose the deficiencies of a recording.

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Covenanter wrote:

 Engineers will make recordings sound good on the most common type of equipment and that tends not to be hifi kit. 

 

not sure I'd agree with that.  Having been involved in a lot of recording, the good engineers will mix and test on at least one high end and one low end playback device to make sure the mix is working well on both.

 

Mastering engineering again would usually be tested on different playback devices.

 

Granted there has been a push recently about increasing the loudness, but some of that can come from the record companies getting tracks re-mastered.

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Steve 1979 - Yes mate you do for sure! I LOVE punk rock as well and part of the live experience is chest thumping bass form the PA so kinda want that at least to some extent.. rockin out  I listened to Smack my EDITED up when it was in my old (terrible acoustics granted) room and when the bass dropped I felt like a kid who'd been given grapes for christmas..

 

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I've got the best sounding system for rock that I've ever had! depends on the definition of "high end" of course, but this M2 is a belter for that type of music.

 

I did audition the M2 Briefly and was comparing to a 8 xpd qx and it was def more 'fun' that that Cyrus.. The Pre/Power was a lot bassier and fuller alround than the 8 int. and prob on par with M2 basswise.. Floorstanders will obvioulsy make a difference but tried the MF M6i with B&W's CM8's at the weekend and sounded pretty wet still.. Any high companys that have a big more grunt?? I tried a quad that was very bassy but was loose and uncontrolled.. 

 

 

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Depends on the makes. I personally think, to my ears, Cyrus grates with me. They are IMO too precise or analytical and takeaway an element of fun.

This is the main reason I love Leema: They aren't quite as precise as some other makes, but I've likened the Pulse to a puppy dog. Certainly puts the smile back on the face.

 

 

Never heard Leema sounds more like what i'm after.. Cyrus do have a rep for being bright. I think they're older stuff was a lot more so.. The Pre/Power sound is a fair bit bassier and BIGGER all round compared to the integrateds.. I know what yo mean about being precise and anylitical thats what i feel.. I may try other pre amps in the process too.. I knew that it may not suit my style but bought the amp anyway as a mate was working at Cyrus at the time and got it half price so I know if i move to something else i'll make money Smile The Naim streamer has boosted the low/mids and sounds better now..

 

I've tried Naim, Quad, Cyrus, Musical Fidelity, Roksan so far.. Maybe i Should look at others... Any other suggestions? 

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I don't know why you're focussing on your amp and not your speakers - I had the same pre/power amplification, the X Power is capable of doing exactly what you want here. I had a single X Power with Dynaudio Focus 110, get them set up right in your room and you have something that sounds like a club system.

As I said in your preamp thread, I sold the PreXPdQx when I found a used Rotel RC-1090 (that Rick Musicraft recommended) - brought out more of the grunt of the X Power. Still, I'd first look at speakers that give you the sound you want here, the X Power is certainly up to the job with the right speakers.

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I don't know why you're focussing on your amp and not your speakers - I had the same pre/power amplification, the X Power is capable of doing exactly what you want here. I had a single X Power with Dynaudio Focus 110, get them set up right in your room and you have something that sounds like a club system.

As I said in your preamp thread, I sold the PreXPdQx when I found a used Rotel RC-1090 (that Rick Musicraft recommended) - brought out more of the grunt of the X Power. Still, I'd first look at speakers that give you the sound you want here, the X Power is certainly up to the job with the right speakers.

 

Yeah I need to wait till i get my listening room set up but could demo some speakers in my room now i suppose.. Maybe Kef R300's.. Just seems i've been demoing a lot of high end and getting the same results.. 

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