38 posts / 0 new
Last post
creepy's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 months 4 weeks ago
Joined: 01/05/2009 - 11:29
Posts: 6
Disappointing Rega Demo
English

Having owned a Naim system in the past and currently own a Denon DF107 mini system I decided the time had come to get back into hifi. I did not want to go the NAIM route due to a combination of cost and a struggle to fall in love with my previous system. It was good with well recorded material but tiring with lesser quality recordings.

I therefore decided to try out a full Rega system consisting of RP6 + Exact, Brio-r,Apollo r and RS1's. To say I was disappointed with the sound is an understatement. The sound was shut-in, with an over emphasis of the lower mid-range and upper-bass, and seemed to struggle to produce a decent soundstage. The dealer swapped out the speakers with RS3's and then later the brio with an Elicit. These obviously wrought some improvements but at a price; a price I neither want to pay or feel is needed.

Has anybody else experienced this sound with the above system? Did I just have a bad demo and would it be worth listening to the same setup at another dealer or do I need to look at something else? If so, what are everyones thoughts? The system above should give you an idea on the sort of money I am prepared to pay and what items I require. The main stipulation is that the speakers will need to work close to walls. My music tastes vary from Rock and pop to folk and classical and a bit of jazz.

bigfish786's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 day 3 hours ago
Joined: 29/01/2013 - 18:35
Posts: 445
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

you've demo-ed some decent kit there. you should have a few more demo's. try an arcam set-up, with the rega turntable, see if that gives you the sound you are after. and try some other speakers too. don't let one disappointing demo put you off. 

 

Rotel RP3000, Arcam DV79, Rega Apollo, Leema Pulse, Focal Chorus 826v.

cheeseboy's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 days 9 hours ago
Joined: 17/07/2012 - 10:50
Posts: 1265
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

nothing wrong with not liking somethng if it's not for you.  Try some different ones and don't feel pressured to buy the more expensive kit if you prefer the cheaper one Smile

NHL's picture
Offline
Last seen: 7 months 2 weeks ago
Joined: 12/11/2009 - 07:57
Posts: 544
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

Apollo-R CDP Hi-fi choice group test winner – April 2014

“The Apollo-R  is a brilliant disc spinner – it is mesmerisingly entertaining to listen to. It seems to unlock a whole extra layer of emotion in the music, as if to remind you that it isn't just hi-fi that you're listening to, but the expression of some poor musician's tortured inner soul. It makes everything an intense experience, and is guaranteed to keep even the most sleep-deprived night owl capivated on the edge of the sofa.

 

:rockout:

creepy's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 months 4 weeks ago
Joined: 01/05/2009 - 11:29
Posts: 6
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

I too read that review. However I suspect it was tested as part of their reference system. Also my comments on the demo were for the whole system not an individual component. The Apollo might well be the great, but the system was not.

However thanks to all those that replied. I suspect I will have to start demoing lots of other stuff (and there was me thinking it was going to be easy).

creepy's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 months 4 weeks ago
Joined: 01/05/2009 - 11:29
Posts: 6
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

Just wanted to add that from what I could tell the rp6 wiped the floor with the apollo r (which i assume is to be expected)

BigH's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 hours 14 min ago
Joined: 29/12/2012 - 12:31
Posts: 3856
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

I did try the Rega Apollo, Brio R and RS1 sytem, I must agree the RS1s were not good, sounded closed-in, a switch to B&W CM1s did open up the sound but they had their own problems.

For amp I would be looking at Creek 50A or Exposure 1010. CDp maybe Exposure or Marantz Pearl Lite. Rega TT is prob. OK or Project. Speakers now that where is gets harder, best to audition plenty, Kef R100 and LS50s are 2 to try. I tried lots an dended up with AVI 9RS (amp, speaker and dac) for £1,250. 

creepy's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 months 4 weeks ago
Joined: 01/05/2009 - 11:29
Posts: 6
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

Interesting suggestions BigH. The Creek might be interesting if only because a creek amp formed the basis of my first and most loved system (Rega Planar 3, Creek 4140 and Morduant Short MS20's). The Exposure I had not thought of. Some more demo'ing required methinks.;)

matthewpiano's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 53 min ago
Joined: 23/11/2007 - 22:23
Posts: 8416
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

The Exposure is the best amp I've ever had, with a Creek 4330R coming in a very close second.  I've listened to the Brio-R countless times and it is capable with the right speakers, but IMO the Exposure is a better all-rounder.  Certainly worth an audition anyway, as is the Creek Evolution 50A.

Ultimately it comes down to what you enjoy listening to.  A glittering review in a magazine, or a confident recommendation on a forum is useless if you don't enjoy what you hear, so get demoing some more options.  Find a dealer who will spend some time with you, tell them a bit about your music tastes and room, and ask them to put together a system within your budget, with no further stipulations about brand etc. from yourself.

NHL's picture
Offline
Last seen: 7 months 2 weeks ago
Joined: 12/11/2009 - 07:57
Posts: 544
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

Why isn't Cyrus mentioned anymore?

The Cyrus 6A is the most HiFi sounding amp I've listened to,

Happy_Listner's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 month 2 weeks ago
Joined: 27/01/2013 - 14:43
Posts: 227
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

I listened to the Rega Brio R + Apollo R + RP3+ RS1 speakers not too long ago. While this Rega setup did some things well such as being rhythmic, fast and having a pretty good soundstage, overall I found myself underwhelmed by that system. I won't complain about the bass because I didn't expect much form those tiny monitors.

What bothers me about the Rega sound is the same things that I have always been bothered by and this has been consistent across all of their products I have heard. This being a thin and skeletal sort of sound that gets the outline of the music right and in a fast way but somehow this sound is lacking in substance and sounds undernourished. There is also a sharp, metallic, unnatural brightness in the upper mid range and lower treble area that always make me wince on vocal sibilance's.

I have owned a Brio 3 and a Brio R and a pair of Ayla speakers. They all had this type of sound along with my demo. I think the only smooth sounding, non fatiguing Rega piece I ever heard was the original Planet CD player. 

Sorry Rega, to each their own. I guess. 

Happy_Listner's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 month 2 weeks ago
Joined: 27/01/2013 - 14:43
Posts: 227
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

I own a Creek 4330 so I'll second that one! Very good amp. Does everything well and easy is on the ears. I was also very impressed with the Exposure 2010S2 I listend to one time. 

stevebrock's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 weeks 1 day ago
Joined: 13/11/2009 - 11:16
Posts: 4083
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

To the OP, quit epossibly you don't like the Rega sound which is fine!

The Exact isn't the best way to show off what you demoed IMO.

Those RS1 speakers were probably not the best speakers in 'that' demo room? 

I owned the RS1 and in 'my' lounge at home - they worked acoustically and i like them - maybe you should of tried the RS3.

I will never buy any hifi on the strength of a shop demo any more - I will insist on taking it home for a couple of days - this is where it pays dividends to build a rapport with a good dealer.

Most will need a holding deposit - but hey you need to make sure its right in 'your' room - however you may not like the Rega sound which is fine, don't give up on it yet.

With regards to comments on here about the Rega amps being harsh....... its only when you listen to a valve that this come apparent.

Good luck

Maybe try Exposure or Creek

 

Michell Gyrodec, RB303, Benz Micro Ace H, Icon Audio ST40 w/KT88s, PS1 Phono, Kudos X2, Rega Apollo R, DAC

 

 

matt49's picture
Offline
Last seen: 14 hours 50 min ago
Joined: 07/04/2013 - 12:07
Posts: 2234
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

Happy_Listner wrote:

What bothers me about the Rega sound is the same things that I have always been bothered by and this has been consistent across all of their products I have heard. This being a thin and skeletal sort of sound that gets the outline of the music right and in a fast way but somehow this sound is lacking in substance and sounds undernourished. There is also a sharp, metallic, unnatural brightness in the upper mid range and lower treble area that always make me wince on vocal sibilance's.

I've heard a few Rega set-ups, and for me above rings true, but only of the speakers. I think the Rega CDPs and amps are rather good, but they can't make speakers that don't sound thin and bright. My last experience was with a home demo of the RS5s on the end of my Sugden A21a; it was utterly grim. Shouty and grating treble, no depth, weak soundstage. With other speakers (currently running s/h PMC GB1i) the Sugden sounds great.

This train … carries saints and sinners / This train … carries losers and winners / This train … carries whores and gamblers / This train … carries lost souls.

BigH's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 hours 14 min ago
Joined: 29/12/2012 - 12:31
Posts: 3856
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

stevebrock wrote:

maybe you should of tried the RS3.

 

He did.

NHL's picture
Offline
Last seen: 7 months 2 weeks ago
Joined: 12/11/2009 - 07:57
Posts: 544
RE: Disappointing Rega Demo

If Cyrus put an OLED display on the 6A and upgraded the DAC inside, then they would be the news of the month!

Pages

Log in or register to post comments