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I'm soon to take delivery of this RCA interconnect to go between my pre and power  amps. It was heavily discounted as a sweetener for the power amp deal Biggrin

Before I swap, I'll listen to Death Cult Armageddon so I have some comparison...

I will report back!

Ooh that will be good to hear what you think between the 2 cables.

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With the cables you felt sounded bright, did you swap the ends over to see if it made a difference? Also what cables were they?

I've only really heard Chord Company cables so info on others would be great for the thread.

The cables were exactly as I had wrote Atlas made Titan interconnects and Ascent speaker cables (Although the speaker cables, I managed to buy the cable very cheap and add my own bananas). If you google them or van dammes UP LC-OFC, youll find the ones I speak of (The van damme is incredibly cheap for how good it sounds)Every 'new' cable I have bought has changed over time. Why this is I cannot say, but I keep an eye on science forums etc to see what developments there have been regarding this.Silver plated and particularly solid silver cables take an age to 'bed in'. Initially they sound awful, get better, then far worse then better until they stop becoming any better. (Far worse is when theres a complete lack of bass and the treble is very 'shrill')As for the atlas cables : they sound pretty good out of the packet. But over time the bass REALLY opens up. My system sounds an absolute powerhouse (For the money: I say this is as I know someone who has spent an absolute fortune on his system, but it does look and sound incredible). Natural, but very powerful when it should sound powerful. Movies in particular can be jaw dropping at particular moments.

Before the atlas cables, I was using Russ Andrews braided type. But it always sounded 'bright' to my ears.

But by far the biggest change to my system was when I added the balanced mains transformer from airlink transformers. The unit 'hums', but its in a cupboard out of the way, and the improvements it brings FAR outstrips the hum and the general awful industrial look of the unit.

As for mains cables, I use (Mostly) russ andrews 8 core braided (To repel RFI). They really do work and really can make a difference in the right home (Like mine, that seems to be steeped in mains interference).In a perfect home, you probably wouldnt need to upgrade anything mains related, but very few people live in such an abode (Especially in this 'wifi' age)

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Hmm though you have hiden the transformer away so you can't hear it I'm pretty sure a lot of the noise will be transmitted through your system and through your speakers. You can't really tell until it's not there and you realise how clear the sound is.

Seems your system is sounding great to you so no problems really.

That's strange the cables seem to change from bad to worse before bedding in. Could it be weather related? You didn't say if you swapped the ends over with the cables you felt seemed to bright. As a rule I think the text on the cable depicts the direction of the graint with the words reading away from the source as the optimum direction.

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Hmm though you have hiden the transformer away so you can't hear it I'm pretty sure a lot of the noise will be transmitted through your system and through your speakers.

Most transformers hum to some degree, but it's purely mechanical, caused by the windings vibrating (usually caused by DC on the line)....as such it won't be transmitted to the hifi.

 

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Hmm though you have hiden the transformer away so you can't hear it I'm pretty sure a lot of the noise will be transmitted through your system and through your speakers. You can't really tell until it's not there and you realise how clear the sound is.

Seems your system is sounding great to you so no problems really.

That's strange the cables seem to change from bad to worse before bedding in. Could it be weather related? You didn't say if you swapped the ends over with the cables you felt seemed to bright. As a rule I think the text on the cable depicts the direction of the graint with the words reading away from the source as the optimum direction.

Balanced mains transformers work by rejecting RFI and EMI by changing + 230 -0 volts to +115 -115 (The positive and negative voltages help to repel mains interference). 'All' transformers 'hum'. Its a part of how they work (Although im sure it can be limited down via various methods). But the hum only comes from the unit itself, it does nothing but good to the mains outputted from it.
So in effect it takes the dirty mains and makes it clean again.

And no, im not going for 'weather' related changes!

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Hmm though you have hiden the transformer away so you can't hear it I'm pretty sure a lot of the noise will be transmitted through your system and through your speakers. You can't really tell until it's not there and you realise how clear the sound is.

Seems your system is sounding great to you so no problems really.

That's strange the cables seem to change from bad to worse before bedding in. Could it be weather related? You didn't say if you swapped the ends over with the cables you felt seemed to bright. As a rule I think the text on the cable depicts the direction of the graint with the words reading away from the source as the optimum direction.

Balanced mains transformers work by rejecting RFI and EMI by changing + 230 -0 volts to +115 -115 (The positive and negative voltages help to repel mains interference). 'All' transformers 'hum'. Its a part of how they work (Although im sure it can be limited down via various methods). But the hum only comes from the unit itself, it does nothing but good to the mains outputted from it.So in effect it takes the dirty mains and makes it clean again.

And no, im not going for 'weather' related changes!

Cool I've learnt something there.

The weather thing was just a thought.

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Im not really a believer in 'directional cables'
I do the same : ill follow the writing or the arrows. But in tests, ive never noticed any difference.
If they are directional, chances are there is some physical (And usually visual) defect at work

As for the changes over time, most people cant afford brand new silver (Particularly solid silver) cables, and so most people will never experience any real changes like if it was brand new (And in my experience, for whatever reason, silver makes the biggest changes)

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First impressions...

Tried out the Chord Chorus this evening... Listened to the first 4 tracks from DCA, firstly with my existing £20 interconnect, then immediately after with the new cable, once fitted.

 

My brain* is telling me I can hear differences among the higher frequencies of the cymbals. They seem louder. Not sibilant or harsh but (I hesitate to write this) maybe a bit clearer... 

 

I'm not going to stick my neck out and declare that this perception is a reflection of reality though. The scientist in me won't have that without a proper, controlled blind test. 

 

The blurb with the Chord tells me that the cable takes "100 hours to reach maximum performance". That'll teach me to be impatient. The interconnects are also directional, apparently... although I am sceptical about this.

 

I'm going to suspend judgement for a couple of weeks, then repeat the test along with some assistance from a mate to swap/not swap the cables over to try and add some sort of rigour.

 

* said organ is currently undergoing chemical changes brought about by the consumption of a few bottles of Purbeck Cider smuggled out of Dorset after last week's holiday...

 

 

 

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Waxy wrote:

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Tried out the Chord Chorus this evening... Listened to the first 4 tracks from DCA, firstly with my existing £20 interconnect, then immediately after with the new cable, once fitted.

My brain* is telling me I can hear differences among the higher frequencies of the cymbals. They seem louder. Not sibilant or harsh but (I hesitate to write this) maybe a bit clearer... 

I'm not going to stick my neck out and declare that this perception is a reflection of reality though. The scientist in me won't have that without a proper, controlled blind test. 

The blurb with the Chord tells me that the cable takes "100 hours to reach maximum performance". That'll teach me to be impatient. The interconnects are also directional, apparently... although I am sceptical about this.

I'm going to suspend judgement for a couple of weeks, then repeat the test along with some assistance from a mate to swap/not swap the cables over to try and add some sort of rigour.

* said organ is currently undergoing chemical changes brought about by the consumption of a few bottles of Purbeck Cider smuggled out of Dorset after last week's holiday...

Ah! glad to hear you have the cable now. You know what. I would just say forget the blind test. You know why because you have pickes a specific area that sound clearer. If you can destinguish better between which cymbals Mr barker is using than you can with your £20 cable then the Chord cable is doing it's thing.

How much of the 40 piece orchestra could you hear before on your £20 cable? Wait till the cable is run in.

The best way to tell if the cable has direction is try it on both ways and swap back and forth. If you hear the same difference each time then it has a grain.

I find if I can hear things that I don't recall hearing before then I'm convinced they were not as clear before so didn't jump out. If you've listened to an album 100s of time before then you put on a new cable and suddenly you hear things you don't remember hearing before and it sound new then there is a reason 1 time after the previous 100 listens you hear something new right? Our brains can't be tricked like that I'm sure. And it's not like you are trying to hear more.

Anyway if in the blind test you get it wrong and you think it was just a guess will you send the cable back or just carry on enjoying having your brain fooled where as it wasn't before?

Oh and for the burn in, not sure if you've read this from me before but leave along CD on repeat all when you go out. You will reach the aloted time sooner. Just don't forget you left your music running when you come home lol.

Let me know how you get on and don't do the blind test till it's run in as I think that's what you are going to do anyway. Also hold off listening to DCA till then and see if you get a bigger difference.

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Hi Glacial,

Hi Glacial,

 

Well, I conducted a small experiment with a couple of friends of mine last night using DCA and some clandestine interconnect swapping... 

 

i have been working from home so have been leaving my system running for 10-12 hours per day to burn-in the cable for a few days.

 

Both subjects are familiar with Dimmu Borgir; we all went to London Astoria a few years back to see them, on the DCA tour if I recall correctly. One of the subjects is also a bit of a guitarist. Both have a sceptical outlook generally!

 

I made them leave the room during each cable swap (or lack thereof) How they laughed! They were aware that the test concerned cables, but details were not discussed during the test.

 

There were 5 sessions of listening, during which the interconnects were swapped 3 times. A single track was chosen: Progenies Of The Great Apocalypse

 

Both of them correctly identified when the cable was or wasn't swapped. 

Both remarked on the greater clarity of cable A vs cable B.

 

Cable A was.... the Chord Chorus Reference!!!

Cable B being the £20 interconnect.

 

This result convinces me that I am not imagining what I am hearing. Swapping this particular cable does make a noticeable difference to what is coming out of the speakers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I was pretty confident The Chord cable wold make a big enough difference. I'm glad your mates had fun doing the tests and giggeling like girls lol. I am interested if the Anthem that I have would yield even more detail as it's the one above yours. I know the difference between consecutive cables is quite small but just noticable. I'm not boasting just would be nice to know.

I know there is more to come from the album still. I actually got to DCA today in my working my way throug my CD collection since putting the Anthem on. I also had Puritanical Euphric Misanthrope first. Both albums sounded so much more live that ever before. DCA just blows me away. It seems t be the perfect album to test any Hi-Fi for what we listen to.

I went to the Astoria a few years back to see Dimmu. They had Susparia, someone else, In Flames were supporting. I think it was the Puritanical tour. The drums were way too loud and I was stood behind the mixing booth.

Well I know you got a lot of listening ahead of you. I would be interested in knowing if there are any albums you don't listen to too much because you didn't like the mix and if you suddenly find you don't mind it and can start enjoying it.

For me it's been Heatwork, Dimmu's first album. That actually sounds dam good. Dying Fetus: Killing on Adrenalin, Cryptopsy Blasphemy Made Flesh is one of the cleanest sounding low budget deathmetal albums I've heard.

Enjoy mate.

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Well I know you got a lot of listening ahead of you. I would be interested in knowing if there are any albums you don't listen to too much because you didn't like the mix and if you suddenly find you don't mind it and can start enjoying it.

For me it's been Heatwork, Dimmu's first album. That actually sounds dam good. Dying Fetus: Killing on Adrenalin, Cryptopsy Blasphemy Made Flesh is one of the cleanest sounding low budget deathmetal albums I've heard.

Enjoy mate.

 

The stand out improvement from my Death Metal collection has to be the eponymous debut album from Deicide. The whole presentation is smoother, more cohesive. In particular, the solos are less harsh/grating. Also sounding better in the bass department is Hexenwahn by Belphegor. The bass drum and tomtom sound tighter and more solid. 

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The stand out improvement from my Death Metal collection has to be the eponymous debut album from Deicide. The whole presentation is smoother, more cohesive. In particular, the solos are less harsh/grating. Also sounding better in the bass department is Hexenwahn by Belphegor. The bass drum and tomtom sound tighter and more solid. 

That's great mate. If you have Once Upon The Cross and Serpants Of The Light, remember how muddy and thick Once sounded and how much thinner Serpants sound. With the new cable play them back to back and see what you think.

Have you got Cryptopsy: Blasphamy Made Flesh? I was astounded how good it actually sounds. Can't wait to hear it with my subwoofer on my Hi-Fi.

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Waxy wrote:

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Both of them correctly identified when the cable was or wasn't swapped. 

Both remarked on the greater clarity of cable A vs cable B.

his result convinces me that I am not imagining what I am hearing. Swapping this particular cable does make a noticeable difference to what is coming out of the speakers.

Good for you, though if it wasn't overseen by the NRC, witnessed by Stephen Hawking and ratified by the Pope, it won't pass muster.

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I think you are confusing...

..me with someone who cares Music 2

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..me with someone who cares Music 2

Excellent!

Welcome to the Darkside.  Biggrin

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