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... few days later with Zensor's 3.. Q300's excellent soundstage is noexistent here, that's the obvious missing part of the new speakers.. a mix of Q300 soundstage + the rest of Zensors would be something.. or better amp for Q300.. any ideas?

Q300's can really disappear, can't say the same about Zensors..

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For sheer  scale and openess of soundstage you are going to struggle to beat KEF's UniQ drivers. If anything I found the Q300 too much in this respect.  

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New to the forum, 

 

needed to replace cambridge audio s30 due to tweeters burning out. Allways loved there bass and detail for a small(ish) bookshelf speaker.

 

went into richer sounds liverpool for a replacement however mentioned that I wanted sligher better bass. I had already seen the zensor 3s online and when I asked in the shop he said they are currently £300 and they where sat next too a pair of cambridge audio sx60. They where £150 on offer and apparently had £50 off, they did look quality however wanted somthing abit more special, the man in the shop (chris to b precise) said as the cambridge speakers where £50 off that he would nock £50 off the zensor 3a, SOLD! Through in the usual cables etc and i was on my way. 

 

Paired up to my azur340a they sound clear, and detailed. Bass is not over powering but a substantial improvement. The s30s sound bassey but these actualy feel bassey. The tweeter is incredibly detailed and clear. You can actually hear the differnt parts of a song.

 

they are only about 10-15cm from the wall and they sound fine. The manual actually says put them righ up against the wall but I think its a typo or a general manual for the zensor range as the floorstanders are front ported.

 

i would highly recomment them however I was looking for any thoughts on a new amp? I have had my eye on the Arcam fm19 and can get one for around £550. I was thinking I would upgrade for now in my bedroom however when I eventually move out I will b hopefully powering zensor 7s so would like and amp thats going to be futureproof.

 

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Dear all. 

So as I've said earlier I did compare today Zensor's 3 with our Kef's Q300 and Marantz M-CR510. 

I did buy Rotel RA-11 and Q300's last year spring time, didn't like sound of it for a minute, returned Rotel, bought PM6004 with Arcam rDac Massive improvement but without tone controls employed sound was flat and lifeless.. till I've heard Zensor's today..

Night  [ Kef Q300] and day [ Dali Zensor 3] difference... it's not subtle change of sound, it was dramatic.. more energy, more music,  big smile on our face... Zensors are simply the speakers more suited to our all in one Marantz. 

Kef's needs definitely better amplification. I don't understand why What's Hi Fi recommended Q300 with PM6004 as this combo isn't good at all. 

... money wise.. 

RA-11 + Q300 = £950   ...   horrible sound

PM6004 + rDac + Q300 = £1030   ...   sounds good but tone controls in constant use

M-CR510 + Q300 = £820 [ I paid £370 for M-CR510 when it first came out]   ...   sound same as one above

M-CR510 + Zensor 3 = £470 [ with free speaker cable, price as for today ]   ...   the cheapest and sounds best of all

this comparision shows how important speakers/ amp matching is..

... so Zensors are on order, Kef's are for sale Smile

edit: Kef's were outstanding with Arcam FMJ A18 and Arcam irDac but it was smiply cheaper to buy £299 speakers rather than £1050 amp/ dac Smile

Is there much difference between the amps in the new MCR610/510 and the older 603/503 models? Has anyone heard them side by side? It sounds like the main difference to the new models are extra features etc? 

I'm asking in this thread as am very tempted to order a pair of Zensor 3's while they're on offer go with my 603, but keen to hear from anyone whose heard this combo.

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I'd say go for it. The Zensors have an ability to make the best of what they're given- I've tried four different amps with mine and to be honest, all of them were great- even my old Rotel 930AX, which would probably be a 3-star these days.

Your Marantz is a good piece of clobber. It's what I'd call a pretty safe gamble.

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My Zensor 3s arrived today. Size and weight wise, they're a whole different ball game to my 2020is, the build quality looks very good, and I like the styling.

I won't be trying them out until I get the matching centre speaker, but my first impressions are good.  Smile

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... few days later with Zensor's 3.. Q300's excellent soundstage is noexistent here, that's the obvious missing part of the new speakers.. a mix of Q300 soundstage + the rest of Zensors would be something.. or better amp for Q300.. any ideas?

Q300's can really disappear, can't say the same about Zensors..

I just got mine, I've had them less than an hour so they obviously need a lot more running in, but I have noticed a certain lack of sound staging so far. So, IPV says they are no match for the £450 Kef Q300's in this respect, which is fair enough given the price difference, but just wondered what other people's thoughts are on how the soundstage and imaging compares with others in this price bracket?

 

All I've done so far is have BBC Radio 6 playing in the background, so its not like I'm listening to well known tracks and I'm not going to do any compare & contrast with my old speakers until these are run in, but I'm not getting much of a sense of where individual instruments are in the mix. I think WHF described them as having a "light & airy" soundstage? Not really sure what they mean by that, but I get a certain sense that the position of instruments float about a bit in the mix, and its sometimes difficult to get a fix on exactly where in the image they are. Perhaps its just me, or the particular music thats been on far or that they need more running in, but interested to hear others thoughts.

 

Running them on a Marantz MCR603 by the way, so a similar set up to a couple of other people on this thread.

 

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lpv wrote:

... few days later with Zensor's 3.. Q300's excellent soundstage is noexistent here, that's the obvious missing part of the new speakers.. a mix of Q300 soundstage + the rest of Zensors would be something.. or better amp for Q300.. any ideas?

Q300's can really disappear, can't say the same about Zensors..

I just got mine, I've had them less than an hour so they obviously need a lot more running in, but I have noticed a certain lack of sound staging so far. So, IPV says they are no match for the £450 Kef Q300's in this respect, which is fair enough given the price difference, but just wondered what other people's thoughts are on how the soundstage and imaging compares with others in this price bracket?

 

All I've done so far is have BBC Radio 6 playing in the background, so its not like I'm listening to well known tracks and I'm not going to do any compare & contrast with my old speakers until these are run in, but I'm not getting much of a sense of where individual instruments are in the mix. I think WHF described them as having a "light & airy" soundstage? Not really sure what they mean by that, but I get a certain sense that the position of instruments float about a bit in the mix, and its sometimes difficult to get a fix on exactly where in the image they are. Perhaps its just me, or the particular music thats been on far or that they need more running in, but interested to hear others thoughts.

 

Running them on a Marantz MCR603 by the way, so a similar set up to a couple of other people on this thread.

 

Ok, I've been away from home so haven't had much more time to listen to them, but they've now had another couple of hours run in and are already begining to impress. Once I've given them a good run in I'll do a bit a comparative listening with my (not really) old Whafdale 121's.

 

One thing that I'm noticing about the sound stage is a discernable sense of vertical placement of instruments which I had never particular noticed with any other speakers in the past and something I understand that is nornally only experienced with higher end speakers.

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Well this thread was very active until I got on here! I guess you're all just busy enjoying your speakers now! Not wanting to end it on a negative, I'm now reporting back now that I've given them a good run in.

 

They just get better and better, there's no lack of sound stage now and each instrument sounds very distinct in the mix. They maybe don't project forward like I sometimes read about with expensive speakers, but there's so much detail and musicality that I'm not listening for that any more. The bass is incredibly impressive, they're  the first speakers I've heard that sound significantly larger than they are, and they're quite large anyway!

 

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Hi Folks

I've acquired a Dali Zensor 5 5.1 package, and part of the package contains Dali Zensor 3's.  I'm looking for a decent quality stand with a minimum height of 85cm(33.5"), any suggestions greatly appreciated.  I checked out the reviews section, however the highest stand is only 65cm(25.5+").  TIA.

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I am now also a proud member of the Zensor 3 club, or will be when they arrive on Wednesday. What are the general recommendations to use them straight out of the box? i.e play quiet, leave on over night. Do they really sound much better after a few hours of playing? 

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I am now also a proud member of the Zensor 3 club, or will be when they arrive on Wednesday. What are the general recommendations to use them straight out of the box? i.e play quiet, leave on over night. Do they really sound much better after a few hours of playing? 

Yes, they do benefit from some running in. They might sound slightly ragged for a start but with 20+ hours on them they will soon come together nicely.  Don't push them too much for the first few hours and you'll be fine.

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Ernie wrote:

I am now also a proud member of the Zensor 3 club, or will be when they arrive on Wednesday. What are the general recommendations to use them straight out of the box? i.e play quiet, leave on over night. Do they really sound much better after a few hours of playing? 

Yes, they do benefit from some running in. They might sound slightly ragged for a start but with 20+ hours on them they will soon come together nicely.  Don't push them too much for the first few hours and you'll be fine.

Enjoy!

 

thanks matthew. They are coming along with the Denon 720 amp/cd so quite looking forward to getting it all set up and hearing my 1st ever seperate system at home. 

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Ernie wrote:

I am now also a proud member of the Zensor 3 club, or will be when they arrive on Wednesday. What are the general recommendations to use them straight out of the box? i.e play quiet, leave on over night. Do they really sound much better after a few hours of playing? 

Yes, they do benefit from some running in. They might sound slightly ragged for a start but with 20+ hours on them they will soon come together nicely.  Don't push them too much for the first few hours and you'll be fine.

Enjoy!

 

thanks matthew. They are coming along with the Denon 720 amp/cd so quite looking forward to getting it all set up and hearing my 1st ever seperate system at home. 

I ran that exact system for a while and really enjoyed it.  Musical, engaging, detailed but never tiring over longer listening sessions.  Hope you get lots of pleasure from it.

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Hello! Hopefully somebody of YOU Dali Zensor 3 owners (who also listend to Wharfedale's Diamond 122) can give me an advice!

I read various reviews dealing with Dali's Zensor 1 on the one hand and Wharfedale's Diamond 121 on the other hand. But what about the Zensor 3 vs. Wharfedale 122 ??? Unfortunately I am not able to listen to one of them by myself as the Wharfedales 122 are still unavailable in Germany at local stores.

---> Can anybody confirm a slight lack of low frequency response from the Dali's at direct comparison? The 122s offer a down firering sub which seems to be rather innovative...

'Simply can't decide which one to order. The Dali speakers look way better, sure. I listen to various music 60% and 40% spoken word in a 2.0 stereo setup at medium or low volume. The Zensor 3 (pair) are avaialble for 307 GBP equiv. (German stockist) while the Wd 122 (pair) cost 238 GBP (UK stock).

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