42 posts / 0 new
Last post
cheeseboy's picture
Offline
Last seen: 12 hours 55 min ago
Joined: 17/07/2012 - 10:50
Posts: 1036
RE: Compresion . . . ?

need to be carfeul with the use of the word compression. 

Practically, if not all recordings use some form of compression in the recording, mixing and mastering stage.  This is what gives you the recorded sound and if you've ever heard anything mixed dry, you'd probably be very surprised by the difference that a simple amount of compression makes on each/whole track.

 

The offensive ones are the ones that are mastering and overdoing the dynamic range compression.

 

have alooksee here

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

BigH's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 day 4 hours ago
Joined: 29/12/2012 - 12:31
Posts: 3569
RE: Compresion . . . ?

shadders wrote:

Hi,

Is there a web site that lists albums and/or recordings stating whether compression has been implemented, or the average Dynamic Range of a recording.

This would be very useful for people to know which recordings are optimal.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

As mentioned above 

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?search_artist=&search_album=

 

It has not got every album of course but that is the best I know of.

 

It is surprising the difference between the same album but different releases.

CJSF's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 31 min ago
Joined: 25/05/2011 - 19:24
Posts: 2022
RE: Compresion . . . ?

cheeseboy wrote:

need to be carfeul with the use of the word compression. 

Practically, if not all recordings use some form of compression in the recording, mixing and mastering stage.  This is what gives you the recorded sound and if you've ever heard anything mixed dry, you'd probably be very surprised by the difference that a simple amount of compression makes on each/whole track.

 

The offensive ones are the ones that are mastering and overdoing the dynamic range compression.

 

have alooksee here

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

 

Hi Cheese boy, you are right, compresion can be a good thing, but like most good things, 'in moderation' . . . I was very carfull in my opening thread to use this sentance: . . . 'Most of my listenig is from recordings that pre date 'excesive compression as standard'.

So in moderation or with feeling, compression is a good thing, but loud and bass seem to dominate the mainstream modern musical offereing.  I think the small specialist labels are better, cerainly the few LP's I have puchased recently seen OK, but then they are audiophile offerings and I expected the best.  From the coments one sees, re releases are suspect, although poor pressing and recording quality seems as much to blame?

I said it in the beginning, Spotify is better than it is given credit for, but one has to be choosy.  In my humble opinion, Spotify is great value, I listen to 'Unlimited Spotify' for at least an hour a day, £5 a month, thats a bagin.  Listening to jazz, blues, folk, country and veriation inbetween, by the very nature, this type of music is often small indipendent labels, they can get it wrong, but a lot I enjoy.  Old music from the 50's, 60's and 70's can be poorly recorded, but there are some gems in there, worth the listening.

The same as above applies to CD's IMHO, be selective and the listening experiance will be good.  I have been lisetenig to a few good'uns recently, from labels like Shefield labs, Digital Musical Productions (dmp), Decca, Wilson Audiophile, not shure any still exist in their original form?  . . . just looked, Decca still publish, I enjoy the music  of Alison Krauss, she records on Decca.

CJSF

BigH's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 day 4 hours ago
Joined: 29/12/2012 - 12:31
Posts: 3569
RE: Compresion . . . ?

The problem is when buying cds is knowing which are good sounding or not, I have bben disappointed with the quality of many I have bought lately and it is not just compression, some have too much bass which seems to be a trend lately on vocal albums, I have lots of albums with double bass but their don't sound boomy at all. 

 

I listen to spotify about 3 hours a day but only the free version, sounds OK to me but depends on the albums.

cheeseboy's picture
Offline
Last seen: 12 hours 55 min ago
Joined: 17/07/2012 - 10:50
Posts: 1036
RE: Compresion . . . ?

BigH wrote:

The problem is when buying cds is knowing which are good sounding or not, I have bben disappointed with the quality of many I have bought lately and it is not just compression, some have too much bass which seems to be a trend lately on vocal albums, I have lots of albums with double bass but their don't sound boomy at all. 

 

It's just trends.  In the 80's things were a bit tinny and gated reverb was the norm.  Now it's bass.  tomorrow it might be harsh mids, who knows!

 

this is exactly what eq's were invented for Biggrin

BigH's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 day 4 hours ago
Joined: 29/12/2012 - 12:31
Posts: 3569
RE: Compresion . . . ?

It is a problem, choose small labels but then not much choice but there are a few I enjoy like Shelby Lynne and Eric Bibb, choose Audiophile type record companies but I find most of their stuff too MOR for me although there are a few I like, ECM is excellent.. Choose remastering compnies like MoFi and Audio Fidelity, again limited range, expensive and tend to be ones I already have or not stuff I tend to play anymore. There is the odd one i may buy like The Doors LA Woman as I only have that on tape and Santana Abraxas.

CJSF's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 31 min ago
Joined: 25/05/2011 - 19:24
Posts: 2022
RE: Compresion . . . ?

Sadly BigH, thats how it is, I use Spotify as a gauge when considering a purchase of vinyl.  CD's one usualy buys from the charity shop, at £1 a go, its a cheap gamble.  My puchasing of new music is minimal, so the limited supply on the small specialist labels is not a problem and general fits my tast anyway.  Plus, there is so much I enjoy on Spotify, why buy it?  I have been through the hoops of owning a vast vinyl collection.

Its why this thread started, I listen to my stock music on vinyl, and CD, Spotify is becoming more important, as a serious sourse because of the poor quality of modern recordings.  I have perceived an improvement in Spotify as I have ugraded my system, beleiving that valves are a definate + for radio and Spotify presentations.

The importance and extra listening of Spotify and CD's begged the question in my mind, why was I enjoying the two meduims, when all around pointed to them with doom and gloom.

As always, I swim against the tide . . . CJSF

Macspur's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 37 min ago
Joined: 03/05/2010 - 06:56
Posts: 2051
RE: Compresion . . . ?

I think you have a good point about base overload in new recordings... Ben Howard, Every Kingdom a prime example... excellent album, but on a few tracks it's way too much.

As for compression, the worst has to be Coldplay.

CJ, can't find that artist Richard Lingdrem on spotify!

Mac

Electrocompaniet EMC1UP, Accuphase E350, Harbeth SHL5 Siltech 25th anniversary 33i XLR, Auditorium 23 SC, HiFi Racks Podium Reference rack.

BigH's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 day 4 hours ago
Joined: 29/12/2012 - 12:31
Posts: 3569
RE: Compresion . . . ?

Macspur wrote:

I think you have a good point about base overload in new recordings... Ben Howard, Every Kingdom a prime example... excellent album, but on a few tracks it's way too much.

As for compression, the worst has to be Coldplay.

CJ, can't find that artist Richard Lingdrem on spotify!

Mac

 

Most of Coldplays are rated between 7-10 on DR, that is about average, I can assure you there are a lot worst, many of below 7.

CJSF's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 31 min ago
Joined: 25/05/2011 - 19:24
Posts: 2022
RE: Compresion . . . ?

Macspur wrote:

 

CJ, can't find that artist Richard Lingdrem on spotify!

Mac

 

Macspur

Spelling: 'Richard Lindgren'  Transpose g and d, 'n' at the end not an 'm'.

CJSF

Macspur's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 37 min ago
Joined: 03/05/2010 - 06:56
Posts: 2051
RE: Compresion . . . ?

CJSF wrote:

Macspur wrote:

 

CJ, can't find that artist Richard Lingdrem on spotify!

Mac

 

Macspur

Spelling: 'Richard Lindgren'  Transpose g and d, 'n' at the end not an 'm'.

CJSF

Ah thanks... speech reading software hazzard!... took a listen, not quite my cup of tea, but good quality recording though.

Mac

Electrocompaniet EMC1UP, Accuphase E350, Harbeth SHL5 Siltech 25th anniversary 33i XLR, Auditorium 23 SC, HiFi Racks Podium Reference rack.

CJSF's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 31 min ago
Joined: 25/05/2011 - 19:24
Posts: 2022
RE: Compresion . . . ?

Macspur wrote:

CJSF wrote:

Macspur wrote:

 

CJ, can't find that artist Richard Lingdrem on spotify!

Mac

 

Macspur

Spelling: 'Richard Lindgren'  Transpose g and d, 'n' at the end not an 'm'.

CJSF

Ah thanks... speech reading software hazzard!... took a listen, not quite my cup of tea, but good quality recording though.

Mac

My type of music after midnight, Horlick hour.  There is some good SQ on Spotify.

CJSF

shadders's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 months 2 days ago
Joined: 19/11/2009 - 13:59
Posts: 131
RE: Compresion . . . ?

BigH wrote:

shadders wrote:

Hi,

Is there a web site that lists albums and/or recordings stating whether compression has been implemented, or the average Dynamic Range of a recording.

This would be very useful for people to know which recordings are optimal.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

As mentioned above 

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?search_artist=&search_album=

 

It has not got every album of course but that is the best I know of.

 

It is surprising the difference between the same album but different releases.

Hi,

Thanks for that - really helpful.

Regards,

Richard.

CJSF's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 31 min ago
Joined: 25/05/2011 - 19:24
Posts: 2022
RE: Compresion . . . ?

BigH wrote:

shadders wrote:

Hi,

Is there a web site that lists albums and/or recordings stating whether compression has been implemented, or the average Dynamic Range of a recording.

This would be very useful for people to know which recordings are optimal.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

As mentioned above 

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?search_artist=&search_album=

 

It has not got every album of course but that is the best I know of.

 

It is surprising the difference between the same album but different releases.

Best thing to come from this thread, thank you, I have saved it.

CJSF

Macspur's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 37 min ago
Joined: 03/05/2010 - 06:56
Posts: 2051
RE: Compresion . . . ?

CJSF wrote:

Macspur wrote:

CJSF wrote:

Macspur wrote:

 

CJ, can't find that artist Richard Lingdrem on spotify!

Mac

 

Macspur

Spelling: 'Richard Lindgren'  Transpose g and d, 'n' at the end not an 'm'.

CJSF

Ah thanks... speech reading software hazzard!... took a listen, not quite my cup of tea, but good quality recording though.

Mac

My type of music after midnight, Horlick hour.  There is some good SQ on Spotify.

CJSF

Ah can hear why... like the genre, just not keen on Richard's vocals.

Mac

Electrocompaniet EMC1UP, Accuphase E350, Harbeth SHL5 Siltech 25th anniversary 33i XLR, Auditorium 23 SC, HiFi Racks Podium Reference rack.

Pages

Log in or register to post comments