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Yet, despite all that technology and innovation, they don't have an analogue input, you have to pay extra for that.

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tino wrote:

A pair of these (if you can get on with how they look) and a streamer.  £10K all in.

http://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/zero1/_en/zero-einfach.html

Yes, these are on my radar too. The bonus IMO being the DSP with driver correction (amplitude and phase linearisation) and room equalisation, which BTW will no doubt add to the price ticket.

The thing is: though they were shown at the Munich show (and sounded terrific, my dealer told me), they are not on the market yet. And it isn't even clear when they will be. So if you consider these, you will have to wait a while.

But in the meantime, you could book a demo of some other Avantgarde horns - which I did recently. And to my ears they sounded great (I heard the Duo Grosso), very lifelike, that is: fast and dynamic.

 

@AL: analog-digital conversion is an option, which means you don't  pay for it if your system is all digital. The OP has a TT, I know, so point taken.

 

Having said that, you shouldn't decide before you taste the panel-speaker-flavour (just my opinion, of course).

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jm, I said I thought you were a bit bedazzled by the B&O engineering, and I'd agree it is first class. The point was it is easy to forget there are many other speaker and driver manufacturers who are its equal both in excellence and in being at the forefront of louspeaker design. Also, it is quite possible, as I said, not to be enamoured of the sound despite the engineering, as each designer has their own idea of what sounds good or realistic.

Also, I didn't say Mercedes were bad, merely stodgy. Happy to advise you about means of transport, but bear in mind bikes are my thing. I have driven Mercedes, BMW, Saab and Volvo, but that was in Sydney more than 10 years ago. I'd recommend Bianchi, probably for the same reasons as you like Mercedes and B&O  :cheers:

 

Cool!  I think that's very fair.  Certainly there are many other speaker and driver manufacturers who are it's (B&O's) equal both in excellence and at the forefront of loudspeaker design - agreed!  Just don't mention Naim and certain aspects of AVI's marketing to me, and I'll be happy!

I'd also agree that despite the excellence of engineering etc, one may well not like, or feel 'right' about the sound - as you say each designer likely has their own ideas of what sounds good or realistic - I probably have a soft spot for Dr. Geoff Martin because he is an actual classical musician, as well as being an engineer.

I road motorcycles for years, and still lust for either one of the new BMW R1200GS's with water cooling, or the K1600GT - that inline six is just an amazing piece of engineering and as for the sound.... Dance 4

I don't find Benzes stodgy per se - it really depends on the model and specs - sports suspension, AMG etc  Generally speaking, and I am generalising, having driven many more BMW's than Benzes, they're a bit more sporty, whereas the Benzes are much better touring cars given our vast distances and indifferent roads.  However, I would find something like a Toyota 86 to be an infinitely more involving drivers car than any BMW bar the M series.

Cars are also very subjective re assesment; indeed trying to objectivly compare across brands with respect to say quality as regards specifications, materials etc, is very hard, as those sorts of details are undoubtedly industrial secrets.

Hope my post didn't seem as if I were taking a poke at you - it's so hard sometimes with text to convey what we mean behind the words, and certainly I try my best to be fair and balanced, open minded and respectful - not sure that I always succeed, but I'm sure you appreciate that I don't ram a brand or philosophy down members throats, as certain brand fanboys are inclined to do.  I try and see it from all sides if at all possible - hopefully that comes across..

Thanks again for a great post and very much agree..

Kind regards

 

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JMacMan - I find your posts very interesting and balanced.  Would love to see more contributions from you on the forums. 

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matthewpiano wrote:

JMacMan - I find your posts very interesting and balanced.  Would love to see more contributions from you on the forums. 

 

That's a very nice thing to say Matthew - and thank you...

 

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Yet, despite all that technology and innovation, they don't have an analogue input, you have to pay extra for that.

An ADC can be added as an option, but it's a shame it's not included at the price. For years people have been buying DACs to connect their digital source to analogue inputs on amps, so the tide is turning the other way it seems.

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Without being at all disreptful, having read your posts, I can't help wondering whether you want a hifi system as an excellent music source or as a statement of your considerable budget.  In short do you want it for sound or bling/kudos?

A perfectly valid question, also a very easy one to answer, I want this system purely for the sound quality as I have found myself pondering the purchase of a new system over the last year or so. I've learnt a lot simply from reading all the posts in this thread. I will definitely be demoing lots of equipment of the coming weeks, finding the exact sound i want.

I'll know what I'll want when I've heard and compared many systems. The budget is simply a means to an end, spending needlessly is certainly not something I plan on doing Smile

 

 

 

I am most pleased that I have caused you no offence.  

It is sometimes, particularly with certain people, difficult to ask a simple question [when one tries to keep yardage down to a minimum] and cover all bases in terms of likelihood of offending.

Your journey should be a fascinating one and I look forward to seeing where you end up.  Again, good luck with it.

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

Yet, despite all that technology and innovation, they don't have an analogue input, you have to pay extra for that.

 

And your point is???

When you are not on here, do you spend much of the rest of your day having pointless arguments with youself?  You know, just like the ones you have on here.    :?

 

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Just as the thread was getting interesting we get Punch & Judy again.

Can't you get each other's email addresses and take it offline?

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Chebby, I thought jmacman and myself were having an interesting (and civilised, I hope) discussion. Apologies if it bored you, or if you thought it off topic.

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relocated wrote:

altruistic.lemon wrote:

Yet, despite all that technology and innovation, they don't have an analogue input, you have to pay extra for that.

 

And your point is???

When you are not on here, do you spend much of the rest of your day having pointless arguments with youself?  You know, just like the ones you have on here.    :?

 

 

To be clear, he wasn't talking about AVI - which do have analogue inputs. So I'm not sure why you're so tetchy. I think his point by saying they don't have an analogue input is that, er, they don't have an analogue input. Which may be important for anyone with an analogue source, such as the OP. 

 

Can you both (yes, both) just stop it?

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You too, Mr Law :cheers: .

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Chebby, I thought jmacman and myself were having an interesting (and civilised, I hope) discussion. Apologies if it bored you, or if you thought it off topic.

JMacman's involvement was the interesting bit I was referring to.

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Actually, that's too deep for me. I thought you meant the discussion between jm and myself, but it seems not.

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BenLaw wrote:

relocated wrote:

altruistic.lemon wrote:

Yet, despite all that technology and innovation, they don't have an analogue input, you have to pay extra for that.

 

And your point is???

When you are not on here, do you spend much of the rest of your day having pointless arguments with youself?  You know, just like the ones you have on here.    :?

 

 

To be clear, he wasn't talking about AVI - which do have analogue inputs. So I'm not sure why you're so tetchy. I think his point by saying they don't have an analogue input is that, er, they don't have an analogue input. Which may be important for anyone with an analogue source, such as the OP. 

 

Can you both (yes, both) just stop it?

 

I thought he was quoting altruistic.lemon?

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