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Hi there,

This is my first post and I'm looking for advice as to what equipment to get for a completely new stack. I currently have a Technics SU-V85A amplifier, paired with an SL-PS900 CD player, ST-G55AL tuner, RS-B905 tape deck and an SL-1210M2 turntable. All of this is played through a pair of B&W 604s2's. I'm looking for advice on what to keep and what to change. Budget is not particularly an issue, but nothing too silly.

I have had a look at some Cyrus amplifiers (Mono X 300 and Pre Qx DAC) and found these to be very nice. I have also had a listen to some B&W 683's powered by 2 SE-A1000's and an SU-C1000 which also sounded superb.

I'm completely open minded as to whether I go out and buy something new or spend hours trawling auctions for a particular item, I just want to get this right. Smile

Shaun

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RE: Complete Hi-Fi Upgrade Advice

Given your budget, either ADM9 with sub or ADM40. Demoing them may be tricky depending on where you live though. There are a few dealers dotted around that sell the ADM9s, the ADM40s may be exclusive via the online shop. Owners of the 40s should be able to confirm.

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Hectors-Jam wrote:

Hi there,

This is my first post and I'm looking for advice as to what equipment to get for a completely new stack. I currently have a Technics SU-V85A amplifier, paired with an SL-PS900 CD player, ST-G55AL tuner, RS-B905 tape deck and an SL-1210M2 turntable. All of this is played through a pair of B&W 604s2's. I'm looking for advice on what to keep and what to change. Budget is not particularly an issue, but nothing too silly.

I have had a look at some Cyrus amplifiers (Mono X 300 and Pre Qx DAC) and found these to be very nice. I have also had a listen to some B&W 683's powered by 2 SE-A1000's and an SU-C1000 which also sounded superb.

I'm completely open minded as to whether I go out and buy something new or spend hours trawling auctions for a particular item, I just want to get this right. Smile

Shaun

hi Shaun,

are you planning to continue with tape, vinyl, and CD sources? 

Matt

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Yes, as per Matt - what's your source? Plus room size would be helpful.

In your position, maybe a "system package" would work out quite nicely..... 

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Mostly vinyl and CD. I very rarely use the tape deck. room size is a fairly large room, approx 35 X 15 foot.

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I'd certainly suggest keeping the Technics SL1210 and considering the Timestep modifications (google for more info).  I've heard a modified 1210 and it was superb.

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Shaun,

Are there any particular aspects of (the sound of) your system that you're not happy with?

Regarding the CD player, one possible upgrade route would be an outboard DAC. It'd be worth loaning one from a friendly dealer (or indeed a friend).

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Hectors-Jam wrote:

Budget is not particularly an issue, but nothing too silly.

Shaun

Hi Shaun, and welcome to the forum.

Is it possible for you to put a max figure on this, as one person's "too silly" is another's starting point.

Can you also give a little info to guide advice

- What sort of music do you listen to?

- How do you like it to sound (smooth, detailed and organic or more forward, neutral and analytical)?

- How is your room furnished?

- Would you consider a Streaming solution?

- What brands do you have access to?

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I woild say anywhere up to around £15,000 for the seperates plus another £5000 for the speakers. I would say I mostly listen to 80's electronic and new age, with a bit of classic rock thrown in for good measure. Detailed and organic sounds much better to my ears than an over analytical sound. The room is carpeted with a couple of sofas in and a tv with all its associated gubbins. I would definitely be open to a streaming option but I would like a CD/Turntable source for when I want to reminisce about a particular album etc. With regards to brands that are available, I know for sure that I have a shop somewhere near me that stocks Cyrus, NAD, Naim and Marantz, other than that, I'd be willing to buy online assuming there's somewhere in england I can listen to the gear.

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I woild say anywhere up to around £15,000 for the seperates plus another £5000 for the speakers. I would say I mostly listen to 80's electronic and new age, with a bit of classic rock thrown in for good measure. Detailed and organic sounds much better to my ears than an over analytical sound. The room is carpeted with a couple of sofas in and a tv with all its associated gubbins. I would definitely be open to a streaming option but I would like a CD/Turntable source for when I want to reminisce about a particular album etc. With regards to brands that are available, I know for sure that I have a shop somewhere near me that stocks Cyrus, NAD, Naim and Marantz, other than that, I'd be willing to buy online assuming there's somewhere in england I can listen to the gear.

That is a very good budget and so I recommend you take your time, listen to the advice that comes your way, and do lots of demoing.

I will get my head around some suggestions later, but would first like to put forward some pesonal thoughts:

-  Make sure you listen to the brands that are not the usual suspects (eg. Pathos, Electrocompaniet, McIntosh, Plinius, Luxman, Accuphase, Audio Analogue, Vienna Acoustics, Focal, Harbeth, Audio Analogue, Audio Note, Bel Canto, Musical Fidelity etc)

-  Listen to the different Classes of Amps (A, AB, B, D); and types as in Solid State and Valve....to see which you prefer.

- Think of an Amp and Speaker as a suitable matched pair that have synergy.

- IMO. A good Streamer is superior to a CDP on every level, so the money that would be spent on it (CDP) would be better placed elsewhere.

-  A TT is a great addition, but I'm  little rusty in this area having sold mine over 20 years ago.

- A good specialist dealer is worth their weight in gold, and if you give the area where you live, I'm sure you will get some great suggestions.

- I wouldn't allocate your £20k budget until you see how things work out....there are different opinions as how this should be carved up.

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CnoEvil wrote:

Hectors-Jam wrote:

I woild say anywhere up to around £15,000 for the seperates plus another £5000 for the speakers. I would say I mostly listen to 80's electronic and new age, with a bit of classic rock thrown in for good measure. Detailed and organic sounds much better to my ears than an over analytical sound. The room is carpeted with a couple of sofas in and a tv with all its associated gubbins. I would definitely be open to a streaming option but I would like a CD/Turntable source for when I want to reminisce about a particular album etc. With regards to brands that are available, I know for sure that I have a shop somewhere near me that stocks Cyrus, NAD, Naim and Marantz, other than that, I'd be willing to buy online assuming there's somewhere in england I can listen to the gear.

That is a very good budget and so I recommend you take your time, listen to the advice that comes your way, and do lots of demoing.

I will get my head around some suggestions later, but would first like to put forward some pesonal thoughts:

-  Make sure you listen to the brands that are not the usual suspects (eg. Pathos, Electrocompaniet, McIntosh, Plinius, Luxman, Accuphase, Audio Analogue, Vienna Acoustics, Focal, Harbeth, Audio Analogue, Audio Note, Bel Canto, Musical Fidelity etc)

-  Listen to the different Classes of Amps (A, AB, B, D); and types as in Solid State and Valve....to see which you prefer.

- Think of an Amp and Speaker as a suitable matched pair that have synergy.

- IMO. A good Streamer is superior to a CDP on every level, so the money that would be spent on it (CDP) would be better placed elsewhere.

-  A TT is a great addition, but I'm  little rusty in this area having sold mine over 20 years ago.

- A good specialist dealer is worth their weight in gold, and if you give the area where you live, I'm sure you will get some great suggestions.

- I wouldn't allocate your £20k budget until you see how things work out....there are different opinions as how this should be carved up.

This says everything I would have said, plus some, and says it better.

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As far as the amplifier and speakers are concerned the Genelec 8260a active speakers are possibly the best that I've ever heard. Certainly worth an audition if you get the chance.

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/genelec2/1.html

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matt49 wrote:

This says everything I would have said, plus some, and says it better.

I forgot the Active route, but suspect that will get rectified.  :shifty:

:cheers:

Cno

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Overdose wrote:

Given your budget, either ADM9 with sub or ADM40.

I have to agree with Overdose here. I think that you owe it to yourself to have a listen to the AVI speakers because you could find the sound that you're after and save yourself a lot of money while you're at it.

 

I haven't heard the new and improved versions of the ADM9RSS or ADM40 speakers but I have heard the old ADM9.1 speakers and when they're used with the matching AVI subwoofer they're easily on a par with the £10,000 ATC SCM50A speakers.

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Cno has already listed all the brands of amps I would have suggested... for your preferred sound, I would perhaps rule out Cyrus.

Try and let us know what area you live in and you might be surprised what options you do have.

If there aren't any, some dealers are open to sending you gear to home demo for the price of shipping.

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