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Combine or separate

I'm going to refurbish my apartment, new flooring, heating, etc and one of the things I'm thinking about is what to do with my AV sound system.  Should I try to combine it with my hifi using my R700s or should I keep it separate.  I listen to music maybe 2 to 3 hours a day on average and use the AV maybe once a week to watch/listen to a DVD.

If combine what would you recommend?  If separate (maybe a question for a different forum) what would you recommend?

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RE: Combine or separate

My personal preference is to keep my HiFi and my AV systems separate. 2 different systems for 2 different purposes.

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RE: Combine or separate

You can actually combine them like what I do without any downsides.  I'm using the same pair of speakers for music listening and as main front speakers for AV. 

For music listening:  CD player connected to preamp connected to power amp connected to speakers

For AV:  Media player connected to AV amp connected to preamp (via the AV amp's preout) connected to power amp connected to speakers. Center channel (preferably the Kef R600c or R200c), surround speakers and subwoofer are connected to AV amp directly. 

I think you can make use of your PM8005's Power Amp Direct function for connecting to your AV amp's preout.

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RE: Combine or separate

I agree with hifikrazy.

Combine them but keep music and AV seperate. 

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RE: Combine or separate

Good advice above.

The best way is to keep them totally separate, but this takes up two rooms and is more expensive.

A very reasonable compromise (as has been suggested), is to combine but keep separate, by using the Pre-Outs of the AV amp. It greatly helps (but not essential) if the 2 channel amp has an HT Bypass.

 

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Can someone explain what is the downside for using AVR in stereo mode vs stereo 2 channel amplifier.

 

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RE: Combine or separate
If listening space is going to be shared between Stereo and AV i think a combine solution it will reduce cables and speakers, therefor a simpler solution. your KEF R700 will be a hell of front channels, just add the R central and matching rears (or existing ones) and off you go! Dirol :cheers:

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RE: Combine or separate

Vladimir wrote:

Can someone explain what is the downside for using AVR in stereo mode vs stereo 2 channel amplifier.

 

Thanks. 

OK, I'll take the bait.

It limits your choice of amplification.

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Vladimir wrote:

Can someone explain what is the downside for using AVR in stereo mode vs stereo 2 channel amplifier.

 

Thanks. 

 

It sounds rubbish.

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2 channel amp with HT Bypass is a way to go.

How often do you actually watch films in multi-channel setting? If not that many, stereo could be more than adequate.

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nima wrote:

2 channel amp with HT Bypass is a way to go.

How often do you actually watch films in multi-channel setting? If not that many, stereo could be more than adequate.

....especially if you add a Sub.

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RE: Combine or separate

If you can acoustically treat your room (Or the acoustics are already good) then the simpler amplifier path is the way to go, if however you can’t, (Always difficult in a domestic environment) then you can usually get a much more accurate sound by using the room correction facilities of an AV Receiver. (This does mean that everything has to go through the AV Receiver though) Swings & Roundabouts I’m afraid.

Note; you can also get professional  room correction hardware (Pop down to your local music store to see what’s available) which will be vastly superior to any that are fitted to Home AV/Hi Fi equipment, so is another option if you just want to use the amplifier path and can’t use acoustic treatment.

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RE: Combine or separate

http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_deq2496_ultracurve_pro.htm

 

 

a nice and affordable device that helps a lot if you can´t treat your room.I have used myself and sold as I don´t need it any more.

 

 

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nima wrote:

Vladimir wrote:

Can someone explain what is the downside for using AVR in stereo mode vs stereo 2 channel amplifier.

 

Thanks. 

 

It sounds rubbish.

 

Yes, well, that's the trouble with absolutes isn't it?  They just don't stack up all of the time.  

 

No point asking me Chris.  I ditched my integrated amp ages ago and haven't looked back.  The Onkyo is an incredibly strong outfielder, drives my current speakers (Pioneer S71-B) with ease and would only get replaced by another AV amp.  Wouldn't dream of going back.

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RE: Combine or separate

This forum hasn't moved on at all. 

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richardw42 wrote:

This forum hasn't moved on at all. 

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