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CD players - Are they a dieing breed?

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Yes sadly CDs are declining but I expect it will become a niche product like vinyl rather than fade into obsolescence like tapes. I think all audiophiles pretty much feel the same about it - they want to own a physical product and not just a file. Of course there is the cover sleeve and album art as well. I've only ever bought one album download and that was because it wasn't available on physical media. I have the say the whole process of buying it and listening to it was sterile and emotionless. Also if my memory serves me correctly the quality was only 224 kbps - hardly hi-fi.

I seem to buy little new music these days compared to the past - that's another story. But it will be a sad day for me when the music I like is released as a download only. I expect it will be for most of you as well....

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MajorFubar wrote:
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The original, original question was 'are CDPs dying out'. Think we've probably agreed that they are

 

Well, some of you may have.

No. It's an indisputable fact. You only have to look at the fact only a tiny proportion of different models are made and sold compared to years ago. Partly this will be because people have bought one and they're happy to stick with what they bought, or they're happy to use their DVD/BD player instead, but on top of that, CD sales have been in freefall for the last ten years too..

You better tell the likes of Rega, Wadia, Audio Research, Sugden to name but a few, all of which have brought out new models of CDP's in the last couple of years.

He didn't say nobody was making them, he said not as many were being sold as there used to be. You can't exactly argue with that, it's a simple statistic.

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I would be quite happy to have my music on a hard drive if a lossless alternative proved as good as CD. I tried downloading an album onto a flash drive into my Onkyo 8050 ("lossless" FLAC) and while it was very good quality, CD still sounded better. I was really disappointed. I would love to do away with the bulk of hundreds of CD's

I've been labelled a lunatic several times on WHF for saying so, but have just tested music via USB on my Cambridge Audio 751 player, which goes through the same DACs as CDs etc, and you know what? WAVs beat FLACs et al everytime on it. Try an uncompressed WAV through your Onkyo and you might just be surprised. Yes the downshot is no album art but what's more important?

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You better tell the likes of Rega, Wadia, Audio Research, Sugden to name but a few, all of which have brought out new models of CDP's in the last couple of years.

With the exception of Rega, the others have stratospheric prices and you know what? At that level I'll just throw in the towel with CnoEvil and get a great Naim or Linn streaming system - cos if I could afford it then I can afford to hide ugly Ethernet!

Sorry Macspur - to spend that much on a CD player today you've got to be a silver disc lunatic - no offence to others - to each his/her own after all. But I don't see any sense in it at all.

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I would be quite happy to have my music on a hard drive if a lossless alternative proved as good as CD. I tried downloading an album onto a flash drive into my Onkyo 8050 ("lossless" FLAC) and while it was very good quality, CD still sounded better. I was really disappointed. I would love to do away with the bulk of hundreds of CD's

I've been labelled a lunatic several times on WHF for saying so, but have just tested music via USB on my Cambridge Audio 751 player, which goes through the same DACs as CDs etc, and you know what? WAVs beat FLACs et al everytime on it. Try an uncompressed WAV through your Onkyo and you might just be surprised. Yes the downshot is no album art but what's more important?

As FLAC and WAV yield exactly the same audio data, either:

1. Cambridge have made a rotten job of the FLAC decoder in the 751 player

2. Your player is faulty and it should be returned for a replacement

3. Maybe the 'lunatic' label is correct.

Good luck. 

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You better tell the likes of Rega, Wadia, Audio Research, Sugden to name but a few, all of which have brought out new models of CDP's in the last couple of years.

With the exception of Rega, the others have stratospheric prices and you know what? At that level I'll just throw in the towel with CnoEvil and get a great Naim or Linn streaming system - cos if I could afford it then I can afford to hide ugly Ethernet!

Sorry Macspur - to spend that much on a CD player today you've got to be a silver disc lunatic - no offence to others - to each his/her own after all. But I don't see any sense in it at all.

 

I did say to name but a few; you can include the likes of Arcam, Marantz, Audiolab and Cyrus all still producing CDP's.

Have you seen the price of a high end Linn streamer? give me a solid well built reliable CDP any time and if that's lunacey then I'm happy to be mad.

Don't get me wrong, I can see the merits of streaming, it's just not for me and I wouldn't be so rude as to question another persons mental state for preferring it.

Mac

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Very much with you on this one Macspur.

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manicm wrote:

GMK wrote:
 

I would be quite happy to have my music on a hard drive if a lossless alternative proved as good as CD. I tried downloading an album onto a flash drive into my Onkyo 8050 ("lossless" FLAC) and while it was very good quality, CD still sounded better. I was really disappointed. I would love to do away with the bulk of hundreds of CD's

I've been labelled a lunatic several times on WHF for saying so, but have just tested music via USB on my Cambridge Audio 751 player, which goes through the same DACs as CDs etc, and you know what? WAVs beat FLACs et al everytime on it. Try an uncompressed WAV through your Onkyo and you might just be surprised. Yes the downshot is no album art but what's more important?

As FLAC and WAV yield exactly the same audio data, either:

1. Cambridge have made a rotten job of the FLAC decoder in the 751 player

2. Your player is faulty and it should be returned for a replacement

3. Maybe the 'lunatic' label is correct.

Good luck. 

No, no, and no. You can also call Cyrus lunatics as they quote 'get the best results from uncompressed FLACs' - which currently only very few software packages can achieve like dbPoweramp. Your vanilla EAC cannot rip this.

And no need to get insulting - it's one of the WHF house rules if you'd care to read them.

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Give me a good quality CDP anytime... my old streamer's a mushroom etc etc. Gone totally bonkeroonie. Fwaf!

 

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I did say to name but a few; you can include the likes of Arcam, Marantz, Audiolab and Cyrus all still producing CDP's.

Have you seen the price of a high end Linn streamer? give me a solid well built reliable CDP any time and if that's lunacey then I'm happy to be mad.

Don't get me wrong, I can see the merits of streaming, it's just not for me and I wouldn't be so rude as to question another persons mental state for preferring it.

Mac

Macspur - you obviously did not get the gist of my reply. I was referring specifically to CD players that cost thousands of quid like the high-end ones you mention. In that case I would go Linn/Naim.

FYI I am currently using a CD player too, until I decide what I will do at year-end. What I will never do is buy another CD player at any price, or iPod based solution ever again. My next solution must allow me to choose and play music from my sofa, at full resolution. And it won't be Airplay or any Airport Express solution either. I am actually looking at a mid-level Cyrus system, where all-in-all will cost a few thousand if funds permit, but I'm willing to save up over a length of time, even if it takes years. And by that time some tasty products will be out there.

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manicm wrote:

andyjm wrote:

As FLAC and WAV yield exactly the same audio data, either:

1. Cambridge have made a rotten job of the FLAC decoder in the 751 player

No, no, and no. You can also call Cyrus lunatics as they quote 'get the best results from uncompressed FLACs' - which currently only very few software packages can achieve like dbPoweramp. Your vanilla EAC cannot rip this.

The point still stands, FLAC (compressed or otherwise) is LOSSLESS, stop and think about what that means for a second, it's very easy to prove that once decompressed FLAC files give an identical output to WAV files, so if the 751 or any Cyrus device don't sound the same with FLAC and WAV then the manufacturer is doing something wrong.

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manicm wrote:

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I did say to name but a few; you can include the likes of Arcam, Marantz, Audiolab and Cyrus all still producing CDP's.

Have you seen the price of a high end Linn streamer? give me a solid well built reliable CDP any time and if that's lunacey then I'm happy to be mad.

Don't get me wrong, I can see the merits of streaming, it's just not for me and I wouldn't be so rude as to question another persons mental state for preferring it.

Mac

Macspur - you obviously did not get the gist of my reply. I was referring specifically to CD players that cost thousands of quid like the high-end ones you mention. In that case I would go Linn/Naim.

FYI I am currently using a CD player too, until I decide what I will do at year-end. What I will never do is buy another CD player at any price, or iPod based solution ever again. My next solution must allow me to choose and play music from my sofa, at full resolution. And it won't be Airplay or any Airport Express solution either. I am actually looking at a mid-level Cyrus system, where all-in-all will cost a few thousand if funds permit, but I'm willing to save up over a length of time, even if it takes years. And by that time some tasty products will be out there.

OK good luck and enjoy whatever  you end up with.

Mac

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"science tells us that we all only need 16bit"  Exclamation Mark

Be interested to know what piece of scientific evidence you are citing Relocated?  typing away

Remember not all downloads are lesser quality, but as you rightly say why pay for or put up with lesser quality.  You can download from some sites at CD or higher quality.   Smile

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Having said that, if I'm happy with CD resolution, I may well just save those few thousand quid and just get a Sonos Connect and Dac instead. Right now I don't crave hi-res audio. Or rather, what I haven't heard won't hurt me i.e ignorance really is bliss.

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manicm wrote:
Having said that, if I'm happy with CD resolution, I may well just save those few thousand quid and just get a Sonos Connect and Dac instead. Right now I don't crave hi-res audio. Or rather, what I haven't heard won't hurt me i.e ignorance really is bliss.

The argument that a lot of the improvement found in 24-bit audio is due to better mastering appears to be a fairly solid one, so if you did get any hi-res audio at a later date you could always down-convert it to 16-bit to play it on the Sonos and still receive the benefit of said better mastering.