How many of those 3000 do you play on a regular basis?
I think PP will be horrified when he reads that.
I'm sure I remember reading once that he is a strong advocate of the... "sit down quietly and listen to a whole album with no other distraction" 'school' of listening.
No and no. Of course I like to plug 'n' play but listen to a whole album with no added distraction? Fat chance! I put albums on but rarely hear half a bloody album.
Let's assume the average track is 4 minutes long - playing Devil's Advocate - even on random select, you would hear around 1900 tracks. This is also assuming you listen back-to-back music. I'd say Steve, based on that principle, wouldn't get much work done.
Yes, I have my system on around 6-8 hours a day but most of that is radio, also includes little'un watching a film on DVD, which leaves me about 30-60 minutes post-watershed TV of actual listening.
My preferred method of listening to music is when I'm relaxed at home and I can listen to a whole album from beginning to end as the artist intended. I also like to spend hours at a time casually browsing through music on YouTube or Spotify.
However when I just want a bit of backgroung music while working it's nice to play music on random. It's like having a radio station that only plays music that I like without there being any DJs or adverts to spoil it.
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When I listen on random for a whole 8 hours it plays about 100-120 tracks.
I've got about 10000 tracks in iTunes which usually get played as complete albums through Sonos.
PI have got about 2500 on my phone which I listen to for around two hours a day walking dogs. It's always on shuffle so stuff I haven't heard in ages gets a play. Sometimes if I hear a track when I'm out it'll prompt me to play the album when I get home.
Listening to CDs is pretty rare at home but I still play them in the car even though car has iPod input.
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Which takes me back to the original question....
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Well, some of you may have.
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How many of the 3000 tracks do I listen to regularly?
All of them.
I listen to music for an average of about 8 hours per day which works out as roughly 3500 tracks per month. Of course I go through phases of listening to some albums more than others but they all get played fairly regularly.
I agree that cd players will gradually die out but that the discs will last longer as a retail product.
Since ripping my 600+ cds I have rarely used the cd player, even though when I listen I am firmly in the 'listen exclusively and to the whole album' camp if I am using the speakers.
Don't listen to music on the move. I have started to listen to music if I am on the computer but this is always via headphones and Rdio or Spotify to seek out new music to then buy new or S/H and rip.
I have yet to purchase a music download and have no wish to [often] pay more for a lesser product that I never actually own forever. CD quality is perfectly good enough for my ears[science tells us that we all only need 16bit] so 24bit downloads are of no interest whatsoever.
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No. It's an indisputable fact. You only have to look at the fact only a tiny proportion of different models are made and sold compared to years ago. Partly this will be because people have bought one and they're happy to stick with what they bought, or they're happy to use their DVD/BD player instead, but on top of that, CD sales have been in freefall for the last ten years too..
Yes CD Players are a dying breed - and I have not used mine for quite a few years
All my CDs have been ripped to uncompressed FLAC file format and now sit on a NAS drive - this enables me instant access to my entire collection without hunting through racks of CDs; they are now in the loft with the cassettes, vinyl and VHS tapes
I have an audio streamer connected directly to a power amplifier and speakers, as others have said using an iPad I can now browse the entire CD collection, create favourite playlists etc. all from the comfort of my armchair. Better still is that the ripped CD audio quality through the streamer sounds clearer to my ears than it did using the CD player, and to really take listening into the 21st century I'm no longer limited to 16 bit 44.1 kHz material. I can download and store 24 bit, 88 kHz, 96 kHz and even 192 kHz albums on the NAS drive which sound far better than CD quality.
I completely agree streaming directly off the internet is not as good as CD (although a lot more convenient), but there is a whole new world of listening opening up to 'audiophiles' that is there right now and takes us well beyond CD which let's face it is over 30 years old! Thankfully things have moved on...
Welcome to the forum...........and I very much agree with your findings.
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The thousands of tracks played at random idea doesn't appeal to me one bit. I'm very solidly a full album or (in the case of classical music) complete work man, and it is incredibly rare for me to listen to individual tracks or even any sort of compilation.
I have approximately 3,000 CDs and about 600 LPs and I'm always picking up new stuff. I have got about 200 of my CDs ripped in FLAC and accessible through the Squeezebox Touch but I hardly ever listen to them this way and nearly always end up putting the original CD into the Roksan or spinning an LP on the Rega. They both sound significantly better than the Squeezebox (which I admit would probably benefit from an external DAC) and I prefer the experience - browsing my shelves, handling the artwork and sleeve notes and using the CD player or turntable, both of which are a pleasure to use.
I believe CD players will be around for a good while yet, albeit a smaller choice of them, just as turntables have always been available. If it ever looks like either is likely to completely disappear I will be rushing out to buy a couple to have in back stock.
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IMO. TTs have hung around as there was no other viable great sounding (analogue) alternatives......but in the case of CDPs, there is; which imo. are better vfm, sound superior (at the same price level), are more versatile and have less to go wrong.
Yeah no need to worry about turntables dying out; they'll be around a long time yet IMO. Certainly the specialist models. And I think that's what will happen to CD players, too: all that will be left are specialist models which are attracted to a minority of HiFi buffs who prefer the physical-media experience.
I never did think CDs would kill off records completely, but as I said earlier, I can't see two digital formats (CDs and downloads) co-existing in a mainsteam way, if and when the time comes where the quality of the typical download is indisputably as good as CDs.
You better tell the likes of Rega, Wadia, Audio Research, Sugden to name but a few, all of which have brought out new models of CDP's in the last couple of years.
It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall of their R&D departments.......very traditional companies often take the longest to see the light.
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