Until we start to see commonplace HD audio downloads in the UK then I for one hope that CDs continue! I really don't understand why high quality audio isn't more readily available? I don't see the point in paying more than the cost of a cd for lower quality files!
You're absolutely right of course, but most people don't give a monkeys about quality, it's all about the instant gratification of downloads, and picking and choosing what songs you want to buy without having to buy a complete album.
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That assumes that higher bit rates equate to higher quality. Which it doesn't
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I have owned and enjoyed a Squeezebox Touch and an Onkyo TX-8050 for streaming my CDs ripped to FLAC and Itunes AAC files. I thought the Internet Radio stations were great too.
However I found that I was spending a lot of time worrying about tagging, server software settings and trying to get various remote apps to connect etc.
The SBT is fantastic for the money, I used it via its own DAC and through a Rega DAC and could'nt hear any difference, plays most formats up to 24/96 but being a product from a computer company it did'nt work all the time, it would take offence at some of my purchased Itunes files, lock up and use 25% of the CPU necessitating a reboot.
With the TX-8050 I was using JRiver MC 16, again both fabulous bits of kit but everytime there was an update on JRMC the TX-8050 would'nt work and it was back to the forums having run Shark software to take a snapshot of the network log.
Having got increasingly frustrated with all the links in the chain that connect my music files on the computer to my speakers I have gone back to a CD player.
Streaming is obviously the future but it needs to mature before I will return to it. At the moment it serves the computer enthusiast who also loves music rather than the person who simply loves music.
Does that make sense?
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I use both options. I buy my cd's from all sorts of sources, rip them as alac and listen to them via sonos wherever I am in the house. I still like to sit down and listen to my cds via the audiolab for a special quiet listening time, when I can truly enjoy the splendour of my system.
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System2-Marantz cd603, airplay via mac, Sonos zp90, Q Acoustics 2010
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Good replacement amp in the A933 there Delrido. Nice choice. It got a great review a few years ago.
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The use of CDs and CD players is definitely decreasing especially with the younger generations who have grown up with MP3s. Personally, I still like to own my music in a physical format so the CD is still bettter and more useful for me. I think CD players will be around for a while yet and am happy spending my money on CD's until a better physical format appears.
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Thank you Record, I bought it on the strength of that review in a rival mag............ Not the best way to improve a system but happily it has worked in this case!
To use a motorcycling anology. The TX-8050 is like the Suzuki Bandit 600, a parts bin special that is more than the sum of its parts and the A-933 is like the GSXR600, not an all rounder but more focused. It also has a great phonostage and it rocks the RS3's.
Why don't you buy a Cocktail Audio X10 device so you get the best of both worlds. I got it and it's fanatasic for both playing CDs, ripping CDs to various lossless audio formats and you can also stream music over home network or DAB radio. Covers all the bases.
Hope you're not hanging off a cliff by your fingernails waiting for that to happen, because it won't. Not in a 'mass market' way anyhow. SACD and DVD Audio have tried. But definitely at the moment CDs remain the best VFM way of buying most music in a quality digital format.
What network player is it? There's no good reason why you couldn't get the same level of quality as you get from the CD player. Of course you might need to spend some money to do it but presumably you spent some money on the CD player in the first place, so it's only fair if you want to make a proper comparison.
There's nothing inherently "worse" about streaming, compared to CD, if you do it right.
Just for the record, I've never owned a CD player (apart from the ones in my cars).
I tend to agree that streaming and palying a CD should result in the same output.
Does the same apply with regard to wireless streaming?
There are a great many reviews on this website that suggest it doesn't...quite why I do not know.
Perhaps someone can explain.
I like CD's but streaming digital music seems a lot more conveniant and with modern DACs the SQ is good enough for most people.
The real gains in SQ are to be had with vinyl and I am glad it's resurging. We lost a lot when CD came in, namely analogue. So I think streaming as the new digital source is good but vinyl/analogue is another great option once more.
Enjoy the music!
I just find that incredibly sad! As someone who eats, sleeps and breathes music I can't understand why anyone would want to listen to lower quality sound, sure I get the convenience thing and I love the fact that I can get my entire library on an iPod, and that's ok for holidays, listening on the bus, in the office etc but nothing beats listening to something of decent quality on a decent system. I'm just repeating an experiment I did a little while ago, comparing a few albums ripped at 320 Kbps with wavs on my iPod with both the standard iPod earphones and a pair of Sennheiser headphones. The first minute of PSB West End Girls tells me everything I need to know, an mp3 rip definitely has a detrimental effect on the audible elements of a piece despite claims to the contrary.
I'm with you but then I'm an old fogey.
Derildo, a good point well-made.
For the last 26 years I've invested heavily in CD's and have seen many new 'wonder-formats' come and go. I've been considering dipping a toe into streaming / ripping etc, but so far a few reasons hold me back;
Look at this very forum under the streaming music section and you'll find an endless list of computer glitches, format issues, network problems and disappointed users who've spent lots of their hard-earned on a system that doesn't work anywhere near as reliably as their conventional system. I get computer problems all day at work, that's the last thing I want to think about when I choose to listen to music; I want it to work first time every time, and my CD player hasn't put a foot wrong in 9 Years. (Cue major CD player breakdown tomorrow!!). I don't have to concern myself over backups, keeping my NAS quieter than my music and tagging errors.
But also, while the likes of Linn and Naim are pushing streaming certain formats now, it only takes the likes of Apple/Universal/Sony to push their new HD format and to gain mainstream acceptance to make any new streaming equipment potentially obsolete. Do you think the big boys will care if they upset the customers of small volume British hifi manufacturers?
As the move from film to digital cameras showed, when formats that happily existed largely unaltered for decades jumped onto the digital bandwagon, the life expectancy and 2nd hand value of these new technologies plummeted dramatically.
I bought my first CD 26 years ago. In 26 years will we still be talking about 24/192 FLACS? Or sadly will we still be talking about 320kbps streaming? Who knows.
The market still appears to be in the Betamax/VHS/Laserdisc phase just now, and I know I'm cautious, but until the market comes up with something genuinely superior to CD and crucially gains mainstream acceptance, I'll stick with the beautiful simplicity of the CD format.
on, open, close, play....aaaaaah.
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