I chose the rega Saturn over the Apollo, as its presentation was much more 'alive'. You can usually find good second hand examples.
So the CD92 might be a good option then? Given that it appears to be a slightly better price on Ebay as well.
Sorry to go on about this one but what about the Rega Apollo? Several people have recommended it but I've had no experience of the brand at all. It was much cheaper in its day, can it really be compared to a much higher priced Arcam? I am on a budget but do want to make the best possible use of my A38.
Right, from the CDPs I've heard on my current system, this is how I rate them:
1) Arcam CD192
2) Exposure 2010S
3) Rega Apollo
4) Arcam CD73T
Although the 192 is the best there isn't, IMO, a huge 'night and day' difference between all four.
Rega has slightly tighter bass and a little crisper than my 73, but for sheer gusto little beats the Exposure and 192. Unfortunately Exposures are few and far between.
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Just to add one more option into the mix, what about Cyrus? Any opinions? Never had any myself but some great deals on Ebay on some highly praised players. Not that I tend to go by magazine reviews. But any personal opinions and experiences welcome.
It's an option but I don't understand why WHFI rate them so highly.
*Edit* sorry, should be more informative: Cyrus, amps and CDPs, have tremendous detail and clarity, excel with vocals and acoustic music. However, for my ears, they just lack a little emotion in the presentation. Cyrus may work a treat for your tastes.
All hi-fi is a compromise, so it depends really where your taste in music and overall presentation is placed.
The CD192 isn't 10 years old, it came out about 6/7 years ago at the most.
Heartily recommended though. I said at the time the jump in quality from CD72T to CD192 was greater than the jump from A65+ to A85.
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It's interesting that you say that about how they are rated. Like I said, Ive had no experience with them. However, the electrical company I work for was a dealer of them before my time and i have heard that they were often faulty. But it seems like the press love them.
Just looked in a WHFI S&V mag from August 2004 and the 192 is listed in Sevenoaks price list @ £895.00, although it doesn't appear in the classified bit at the back, so it was some time after that they tested.
I tell you what really does make me sick. About 3 years ago, I found in one of our stores an Arcam AVP700/P1000 combo and we also still had a couple of CD192s kicking around. £399 per unit!! Absolutely gutted because I told a friends dad about it who has always been into far more expensive kit than I can afford. So he agreed to a home audition with his Kef Model 2s I think? Anyway, I tried it at mine first with my Monitor Audio RS6s and my Yamaha DVD-S2700 as the disc spinner. Only in stereo so can't comment on on the AV side of things. But I can honestly say that it was probably the best stereo sound I've ever had in my house, absolutely stunning. Most under rated system ever. Just goes to show, you can't believe what magazines write in reviews as I couldn't find one above average review about it. It's worth buying just to use for stereo. The pair are still advertised on Ebay for about £1400.
And I should also mention, that I once borrowed an AVR600 and as a stereo unit I did love it, incredible bass. But still the old combo wins it for me.
Sadly my friends dad loved it so it was not to be for me.
He also bought a CD192 and a DVD135. All for £1500!! Lucky sod!!
I doubt I'd be looking now if I'd got that.
Looking in a 2005 WHAT HI-FI first group tested the 192 in Nov 2004, but don't have that copy to hand.
Time flies. I'm sure when I bought my 72T in '02, the high end DiVA at the time was the 92.
If I'm right, the 93 must have only been on sale for a year or two at most before the 192 came out.
In the Sevenoaks S&V listings it had CD73, 93 and 192 and I think it was CD33 from the FMJ range.
I can get a Roksan Kandy K2CD for around £470. Any thoughts on this as a match?
Not heard the K2 CDP but Matthewpiano owns one and said it is a very good player indeed, however he did say that it tends to round off the presentation a little.
I have been an Arcam owner for a few years now - i used to own a Diva A70 and CD73T then had FMJ A32 and CD36 (got at bargain price when the new models came out) and now own the A38 and CD37. I also have demod the 192 when i bought the CD36 with the A32. The A38 is nowhere near as laid back as the A32 so it doesnt demand in my opinion a brighter CD player. The 192 is a great CD player but the CD36 will better it with a bit more body to the sound, a wider stage and deeper bass - it is slightly smoother i thought thought than the 192 or the CD37.
If it was me now and i couldnt afford the CD37 (which i think i superb by the way) i would try and hold out for an ebay CD36 if it dropped within budget. They go for a 50% or less than their original price nowadays. If that is still too much then i doubt the 192 will dissappoint at all, its a great CD player and well regarded generally. The advantage of the CD36 is that it matches visually the A38 but if thats not a big deal to you then the 192 was considered a great CD player at its original price so for what it goes for now its a great purchase.
Whilst Arcam do drop in price from new much more than say Naim, if you do get a good condition 2nd hand one, then there is good back up service if you need it, plus if you bought it cheaper you can pretty much get your money back. I had a CD36 for 2 years and got the same money for it when i sold it on for the CD37.
Personally i would go for the 192 or 36 ahead of the Roksan or Rega Apollo but then i like same brand myself.
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