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Hi all can someone talk me through what hardware DAC etc that I need to streem music from my macbook to my hifi using my ipad as my remote as well as flick through my itunes I have no idea whats required many thanks for your help Ive got 2k to play with and I am sure you know that I love my blues rock metal folk . is there a way which I can run a system without my pc switched on as you can tell I am new to the idea of streeming music beauty, eh

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toyota man wrote:

Hi all can someone talk me through what hardware DAC etc that I need to streem music from my macbook to my hifi using my ipad as my remote as well as flick through my itunes I have no idea whats required many thanks for your help Ive got 2k to play with and I am sure you know that I love my blues rock metal folk . is there a way which I can run a system without my pc switched on as you can tell I am new to the idea of streeming music beauty, eh

A NAS of some sort and a Sonos Connect. Leave it at that for now and get used to the equipment. £600 should see you right.

At a later date you can try a few DACs at home to decide if you need one or not.

 

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toyota man, I ditched my whole hifi setup as it was getting out of hand. In addition to this the CDs were dominating the living room and all the shelf space.

I ripped all my CDs to harddrive (and now store them in the airing cupboard, just in case!) I have an iPad 2 and stream the music through my broadband (Plusnet Fibre) to an Apple TV (a streaming device, not a TV, in case you didn't know). The Apple TV is plugged into a pair of AVi ADM40 active floorstanders that have their own built-in DAC (the 40's cost £3250). However, AVi also do standmounts, called ADM 9RS (£1250) which are in their latest incarnation, and available with a ScanSpeak tweeter upgrade (£1400). Some say they need a Sub (£800), some are happy without. The standmounts and Sub would push you just over your 2k budget, but are worth a listen.

I haven't looked back and am unlikely to go back to separates, unless I win the lottery. The mem-sahib is happy as well, as all the dust-trap boxes and messy cables have gone, not to mention the endless empty boxes stored around the house (we have no loft!)

The sound quality is the best I've heard, very clear and pure, and free from colouration. I was trained as a Sound Engineer and would be happy to use ADM speakers in the studio. They're not for everyone, as a quick look at some of the threads will indicate, but as I said, they're definitely worth considering.

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Does op want to ditch his £2k speakers etc?

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Maybe all you'd need is to add an Apple Airport Express, and there's a remote app for the iPad (I think). 

 

Do you really need a NAS? Maybe not. I was researching a NAS for ages, but I actually never bothered. I do switch on the PC to access my iTunes library, but most of my listening is on Spotify so the pc stays off. 

 

Alternatively, I can thoroughly recommend looking into Sonos. As well as access to your own library, you have access to Spotify etc, Internet radio and a new update allows you to access the music stored on your ithing (similar to Airplay)

 

oh and add more zones as you wish. 

 

You can buy more / much more expensive streamers, they invariably seem a real faff compared to the ridiculous simplicity of Sonos. I suppose they might sound a bit better, but I doubt by very much. 

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RobinKidderminster wrote:
Does op want to ditch his £2k speakers etc?

I don't know and I'm certainly not telling him to. However, it wasn't an option for me until I found out about it and a spot of lateral thinking often throws up other alternatives.

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Hi all can someone talk me through what hardware DAC etc that I need to streem music from my macbook to my hifi using my ipad as my remote as well as flick through my itunes I have no idea whats required many thanks for your help Ive got 2k to play with and I am sure you know that I love my blues rock metal folk . is there a way which I can run a system without my pc switched on as you can tell I am new to the idea of streeming music beauty, eh

Basically you will need three things.

 

1. Somewhere to store your music files. You can use your computer, a NAS drive or if you use iTunes you can store them in the 'iCloud' and stream them over the internet every time you want to listen to them.

2. If you use a NAS drive or the iTunes cloud you will need a streamer to transfer your music files. If you use your computer you won't need a separate streamer because a computer is able to function as a streamer.

3. You will need a DAC to convert your digital music files into an analog signal that your amplifier will be able to accept. However you probably won't need to buy a separate DAC as most streamers already have one built in to them.

 

Something like the Cambridge Audio Stream Magic 6 is one option of a streamer/DAC that may be worth your consideration. It also has an iPad app so that you can control it with your iPad.

 

There are many other streamers and options such as the Sonos which are available too. You certainly won't need to spend anywhere near £2000 though.

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Another vote for Sonos. I went through the same process as you a few years ago, and also with atc speakers. I'm delighted I went with the Sonos. I doubt you can get simpler in terms of setup and UI (assuming you have a smartphone). Trouble free wireless is not guaranteed but has as good or a better chance than anything else. And I find the sound without a separate dac to be very good. 

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RobinKidderminster wrote:
Does op want to ditch his £2k speakers etc?
No I love my system ATM its just that with more than 3000 cds my Son has left all his in his old bedroom I just want to tidy up a bit + I am lazy all this keep getting up and looking through cds is hard work  rolling on the floor laughing Thanks for replys every one I am now going to research streemers beauty, eh

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A secondhand Squeezebox Touch is another good option for a streamer with a built in DAC.

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toyota man wrote:

RobinKidderminster wrote:
Does op want to ditch his £2k speakers etc?
No I love my system ATM its just that with more than 3000 cds my Son has left all his in his old bedroom I just want to tidy up a bit + I am lazy all this keep getting up and looking through cds is hard work  rolling on the floor laughing Thanks for replys every one I am now going to research streemers beauty, eh

 

good luck with that !!

if I had to re rip my CDs (only about 800), I think I'd only bother with the ones I couldn't get on Spotify. 

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...its just that with more than 3000 cds my Son has left all his in his old bedroom I just want to tidy up a bit + I am lazy all this keep getting up and looking through cds is hard work

Ripping 3000 CDs is going to be a big job that will take quite a long time. It is worth it though because once it's done it makes listening to music so much easier.

 

Also, don't forget to make sure that you make at least two backup copys of your digital music files just in case you accidently delete them or the harddrive that they're stored on stops working. Ripping all your CD's will take a while so you won't want to do it twice.

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steve_1979 wrote:
if you use iTunes you can store them in the 'iCloud' and stream them over the internet every time you want to listen to them.

 

If you mean the iTunes Match service, then speaking as an existing subscriber, at this point in time I personally would give it a very wide berth as primary source. It just about passes muster as a method of accessing your music on a protable device while you are away from your local network, but that's all it's good for, definitely not as a primary source. It's not the sound quality as such, it's how the service works. By its very nature it's flawed and is unlikely to be truly satisfactory as a primary source unless your library chiefly consists of iTunes downloads.

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steve_1979 wrote:
if you use iTunes you can store them in the 'iCloud' and stream them over the internet every time you want to listen to them.

 

If you mean the iTunes Match service, then speaking as an existing subscriber, at this point in time I personally would give it a very wide berth as primary source. It just about passes muster as a method of accessing your music on a protable device while you are away from your local network, but that's all it's good for, definitely not as a primary source. It's not the sound quality as such, it's how the service works. By its very nature it's flawed and is unlikely to be truly satisfactory as a primary source unless your library chiefly consists of iTunes downloads.

I don't use iTunes myself so I've never tried it. But I do know of several people on the AVI forum who use it and they've found it to be both reliable to use and that there's no loss in sound quality either.

 

Personally I wouldn't want to use it because I prefer to keep my files stored locally just in case the internet stops working for any reason. But it is still a valid (although slightly flawed) option that's worth considering for anyone who's interested in streaming.

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atticus wrote:

I ripped all my CDs to harddrive (and now store them in the airing cupboard, just in case!) I have an iPad 2 and stream the music through my broadband (Plusnet Fibre) to an Apple TV (a streaming device, not a TV, in case you didn't know).

How are you doing this Atticus? Are you pointing the iPad iTunes to NAS, or are you streaming from iTunes match?

I guess the question is, where is your music library?

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atticus wrote:

I ripped all my CDs to harddrive (and now store them in the airing cupboard, just in case!) I have an iPad 2 and stream the music through my broadband (Plusnet Fibre) to an Apple TV (a streaming device, not a TV, in case you didn't know).

How are you doing this Atticus? Are you pointing the iPad iTunes to NAS, or are you streaming from iTunes match?

I guess the question is, where is your music library?

Hello Overdose,

iPad Remote App controls iTunes on PC upstairs. Music files stored on 2TB external drive. 

Hope that is clear.