emperor's new clothes wrote:Rick, David,Any news/Impressions of the PM/SA8005 - the pearl Lites replacement? Made in Japan, which is a good start, IMHO
Any news/Impressions of the PM/SA8005 - the pearl Lites replacement? Made in Japan, which is a good start, IMHO
I will do as soon as we get some on demo
DavidF @FrankHarveyHiFi, Coventry.
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emperor's new clothes wrote:RickAny news/Impressions of the PM/SA8005 - the pearl Lites replacement? Made in Japan, which is a good start, IMHO
Hi e n c
I'll be interested to hear how the performance of the PM8005/SA8005 fairs to some older Marantz amplifiers and disc players.
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
Musicraft (Derby) - Specialist Hi-Fi, AV & Multimedia dealer
Thanks for the replies. Have had a brief demo of the pM14S1 - very impressed but OTT for my Dynaudios and wallet. Will await your verdict on the pair and another interesting newcommer - the Creek Evo 50 CD/DAC paired with the 50A. Need a USB input to warrent spending on another disc spinner. The NA8005 might be the answer.
MUSICRAFT wrote:Firstly i haven't mentioned here that i don't like the performance of the amplifier.
Firstly i haven't mentioned here that i don't like the performance of the amplifier.
In your first response on this thread you implied that it would be better to change the amplifier rather than the speakers, and now (if I read your sentence correctly) you say that you do not dislike the performance of the Pearl Lite.
So what do you really think? I'm confused...
In response to the OP's 1st post, I use B&W 604s with my Pearl LIte combo.
Very happy here. I do love that rich, silky, warm Marantz sound and the B&Ws work very well together.
MUSICRAFT wrote:Firstly i haven't mentioned here that i don't like the performance of the amplifier.Dear Rick, In your first response on this thread you implied that it would be better to change the amplifier rather than the speakers, and now (if I read your sentence correctly) you say that you do not dislike the performance of the Pearl Lite.So what do you really think? I'm confused...Best regards,LJ
I think you misread Rick's post, he doesn't like the performance of the lite. I'd be curious myself to know what are the main points of criticism, just the tone controls?
On the side note, I listened to naim unity and then dav v1 / nap 100 with LS50's and they sounded thin, I much prefer my pearl lite. I also demoed roksan kandy and caspian. While I wasn't particularly impressed with kandy, I did like caspian, but it's doulbe the lite's price.
Recommending an alternative product does not automatically mean that i dislike the original product. For example - i like the Pioneer A-400 and ATC's original Entry Series monitors however as i've said before as good as both are i would not use them together.
I've suggested alternative amplification which i feel will give a worthwhile improvement which to be clear we don't benefit from as we don't deal with used components.
Well no dealers in my area who stock everything I want to audition, or, who are prepared to let them be trialed at home. So I've had to go down the expensive route of sourcing new/used kit.
With that in mind I thought that a good place to start would be near the top of budget just so I could get the old "If onlys, and I wonder what xyz would have sounded like" out of the way first. To that end I thought that I would start with the PMC DB1 - can't get the i in black so I sourced a new pair of Gold's; they arrived yesterday.
First impressions: Out of the packaging "God these are really tiny", and connected-up, "OMG they sound really awful!" Boxy, cardboard sounding woofers, base terrible, all over the place; thinking what have I done - should have stuck with my RX2's or got a set of used Tannoys. So decided to run them out of phase and on low volume whilst I went to work yesterday, (10 hours).
Second impressions: Got up this morning and listened to them again; OMG what a difference! I have never heard such a sweet sounding pair of speakers, and I've never heard a pair of speakers seem to totally disappear from my system before, it's as though they aren't physically there. I did some A/B comparisons with the RX2's and initially thought that the RX2's sounded much better than the DB1's, that is until I walked over to the speakers and discovered I was actually listening to DB1's, not the RX2's! I keep on reaching for the volume-up control but I must consider my neighbours |(
If these babies are not yet run-in then I can only say that more is to come. I've got them backed to within 1" of the rear wall and the base is just right, very taut. I cannot believe that these tiny boxes make such an incredible sound. Looks like these will be keepers; looking for a set of wall brackets for them now
Thank you to everyone for your input, it has all been very much appreciated. This did not begin as a search - just a general question, but I'm sure you will understand when I say that my non-existent search is over.
They are fabulous little speakers. Not heard the 'Gold' version but have the DB1is many time at home and at dealers. Have to say, though, that an inch or so from the wall you may pick up a little bloom in the bass. Like any rear ported speaker they need some breathing space.
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DougK wrote:If these babies are not yet run-in then I can only say that more is to come. I've got them backed to within 1" of the rear wall and the base is just right, very taut. I cannot believe that these tiny boxes make such an incredible sound. Looks like these will be keepers; looking for a set of wall brackets for them now
their own wall brackets for DB1is. (There are
4 screws on the back of your speakers - just above the connectors - to fit them with.)
The brackets held the speakers about 3.5" away from the wall. (And allow them to be angled up/down and left/right too.)
The last time I heard a pair of DB1is I asked for them to be placed the same distance (about 3.5" or 9cm) from the wall and the bass was superb with no boom or 'bloom' at all.
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I think it may depend on the room. I found that the only problem with having mine close to the wall was some deterioration to the soundstage, but I seem to recall John Duncan saying that his got boomy without a bit of breathing room.
Lovely speakers. I prefer them over the RX range.
Bedroom: Esoteric RZ-1, PMC DB1i, Fostex CW200A. FUBAR IV
Office: Nuforce Icon HDP, Adam A7X
Living room: Apple TV, FIIO D03K, Fostex PM0.4n
Headphones: Audio Technica ATH-AD900x and ATH-A900x, Sennheiser HD595, Grado SR80i
I have them balanced on some books at the moment but yes, been looking at those dedicated brackets. I've found a couple of websites that actually sell them at £114 and £90, (the £90 has no image so I'm dubious as to whether they are the original PMC brackets). I must admit that I had underestimated how close I had them to the wall because I have them slightly toed-in, they are actually 3", so the 3.5" with the brackets should be spot-on. I'll do a bit of experimenting with positioning before I commit them to the wall and then go with what sounds the best. Just can't get over how wonderful these sound.
Congratulations Doug. Sounds like you have found what you were looking for. Nice job.
On the last occasion I heard them, they were against a painted, plastered, masonry wall - with nothing between them - and room corners about a metre away from each speaker. (Using my Partington Trophy stands on spikes.) They were tried slightly toed-in and firing straight down the room. Nait 5i amplifier and Nat05 tuner and an old Chordette Gem DAC with my laptop connected via USB and playing ALAC content.
Pulling them further away from the walls (about 18" I think) made them sound a bit anemic. Worth bearing in mind that I was not hammering the volume. I always listen at 'moderate' levels so that might account for where I preferred them positioned. Probably one of the best small speakers I have ever heard.
I generally play my music at around 65 dB, on the odd occasion when the neighbours are out I'll maybe push the boat out to 80 or so