First set are AQ Crystals. Second set are AQ FLX-SLiP 14/4. The first set cost 4/5 times as much as the second set. I use the second set because...wait for it....they sound better with my system. The first set sounded great with my old system. Why would I effectively downgrade to a cheaper cable if I wanted to believe in more expensive cable = better cable?
...just came back from honeymoon in Europe...
makkapakka expensive, in this context, means more than the cost of your current cables
if costlier cables dont perform better, please state what you have tried and what you currently use
thanks for input !
I've compared a few differently priced speaker cables (in an unscientific 'sighted' comparison :shifty: ) in a shop once to see what difference they made. They all sounded exactly the same except for one expensive one (forget the name) which had an unusual looking weave and it have very slightly less treble than the others. But the sound of this was easily be replicated with the other cables by simply tweaking the tone control on the amplifier to reduce the treble a bit.
I currently have van den hul hdmi cable between my blu-ray player and onkyo amp before that i had QED, guess what no difference.
You make some very interesting and informative posts on this forum. You obviously have a good understanding of what you're talking about and have a good way of clearly explaining these things in easy to understand laymans terms. Great stuff.
I currently use some standard Cambridge Audio OFC speaker cables which are of a suitably thick gauge. They sound identical to the cables which AVI supplied with my speakers but I use the Cambridge Audio ones because they don't have banana plugs and look neater because they fit inside the holes in my speaker stands.
I compared a freebie in the box 1m cable against a 0.5m IXOS cable that was about £30 new ten years ago. I strained and strained to hear a difference and decided that if there was any then the freebie was better.
I also found my QED speaker cable was too short on one side. So I twisted it together with another length and held it together with some masking tape. This made no difference whatsoever to the sound.
My interconnects are 10-14 years old when they cost in the £20 region and I went for the 10% mantra.
My sole experience of a cable making a positive difference was when I put a £20 scart cable and a 99p one into a switch box and flicked between them on a paused screen. From very close up it was apparent that the cheap cable had led to a small amount of picture noise.
siuk thanks for your reply - this is the info/debate i was after ! no crap comedy about weather/parrots..........
i never said i believe a more expensive cable equals a better cable or even better sound quality - my own personal tests have shown this
i use kimber cables, via russ andrews, and have found that the more expensive interconnect/speaker cables do not sound better than the cheaper ones on my modest system, (i believe if you spend more you should get better performance - why spend more otherwise - agree ?)
i have also found that mains cables/filters have a bigger impact than interconnect/speaker cables - the former allowing better sound by allowing my hardware to work better due to reduced mains pollution (i believe) where as the latter usually just change the tonal balance with, as stated, the costlier models not equalling better performance.
2 interconnects i have tried include the copper "timbre"and the silver "kcag" - both identical in construction,plugs,insulation apart from the conductor material and cost !
the timbre is approx a quarter of the kcag price. i have tested both. is the kcag in my system 4 times better in my system? no. it sounds different, its clearer and very focused but the cheaper copper version, to my ears at least, sounds better being fuller and less harsh.
these are the experiences/info i was hoping forum posters would post - not "placebo effect" or "personal opinions" dont count crap.......
any clown can detect differences in sound unless they are deaf - like some of the posters who have replied..........
mikefarrow wrote:crap comedy about weather
crap comedy about weather
Quote:any clown can detect differences in sound unless they are deaf - like some of the posters who have replied..........
Well that doesn't look like much of a debate.
SiUK wrote:Why would I effectively downgrade to a cheaper cable if I wanted to believe in more expensive cable = better cable?
Why would I effectively downgrade to a cheaper cable if I wanted to believe in more expensive cable = better cable?
I don't think anyone who doesn't buy into the cable myth would say that one's expectations always make sure that when one listens to a more expensive cable, they will hear a more expensive sound. It is a only one of the many possible factors that can play a role. It is plausible that people will more often experience better sound when they connect more expensive cables, but this isn't like a law of physics that should apply to everyone in the same way. You may very well experience a better sound with a cheaper cable and still be deceiving yourself.
benlaw its not a debate - deaf people cannot hear.........
mikefarrow wrote:thanks for your post davedotco - well saidcan all future posters read my original question ?if you are a cable sceptic please state what expensive cables you have tested ,and the results obtained (or lack of) which have shaped your viewsif you have not tried any expensive cables please dont post !your experiences of expensive cables are what this topic is about !
thanks for your post davedotco - well said
can all future posters read my original question ?
if you are a cable sceptic please state what expensive cables you have tested ,and the results obtained (or lack of) which have shaped your views
if you have not tried any expensive cables please dont post !
your experiences of expensive cables are what this topic is about !
I used to be quite convinced that cables made a hell of a difference, even in normal decent quality systems. I was quit convinced that I could hear quite substantial differences, after all I was doing the dems........
I can even relay the usual stories of walking into a dem room and making the usual 'that sounds great' noises only to find out that we were trying out some new cables and, what is more important, my customers heard these differences too........ :?
I was then asked to help a magazine do some cable evaluation and wanted a decent size space and a range of equipment on hand, the tests were carried out in a pretty informal manner but they were blind. The process was nothing like rigorous enough to prove anything, but was was incredibly striking was just how difficult it was to pick the differences between decent budget cables and the more expensive versions.
In fact the entire exercise was such a flop that the article never saw the light of day and an article evaluating the response of professional musicians to some fairly hi-end systems was done instead.
broner - what if you dont know the prices of say 2 cables under test ?
does your logic still apply then ?