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RE: cable sceptics give us your experiences !

ellisdj wrote:

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I am not getting into this debate - but it amazes me how people dont hear differences

I'm not going to get into this, so, to reassure you I have no intention of getting into it, here are some words that will assuredly get me into it. Oh, hey, have a look at my other replies too.

I had No intention - but with smart asses - or people like yourself with obvious superior intelligence to me to analyse my thought process its very hard not to.  But as you have read all my comments/ posts you will know that I have not mentioned cables once so I have not got into it

 

What had mentioning cables got to do with it? Who stole your funny bone?

 

And finally, thanks for the compliment, but I suspect you're being a bit hard on yourself.

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RE: Electricity.

There's no magical, mystical Hi-Fi signal - it's all electricity from what comes out of the mains to what goes into the loudspeaker.

 

In electrical terms - if the resistance (Ohms) of the cable is less than that of the loudspeaker then it has no effect on the loudspeaker output. If it is higher it will.

Most cables more than 1mm thick will have less resistance over usual lengths for Hi-Fi usage than the loudspeaker, 3 or 4mm is overkill, cable material, oxygen content and the like makes no difference with the commercially available cabling materials. That's it, after that you can go to a metre thick and it will have no additional effect (or rather lack of effect) on the sound.

Interconnects have even less importance due to there being no variable frequency electrical filter (crossover + drive units of loudspeaker) at either end, thickness will just affect volume but even then only if the cable is very thin indeed.

You can measure loudspeaker output with various cables (thick enough for the given length) of any price and there is no difference. I know, I've done it - It's the same reason cable companies don't show measurement comparisons. I am a sceptic (or rather realist rather than believer in non-science) and I've done the tests to back it up - including blind listening tests to back up the data.

 

It's all simple science. Anything you hear outside this is down to your brain, not the cable, which after all is only allowing electricity to pass through it, not music.

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RE: cable sceptics give us your experiences !

Welcome  Scienceman. New on here but no doubt been watching. Norhing new in yr post I'm afraid unless u can for the op's benefit, explain yr cables/tests.

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http://www.whathifi.com/forum/home-cinema/lounge-hc-signature-update-bass-traps

 

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RE: Electricity.

hello science man. please could then list the cables (and maybe hardware) you use ?

thanks for input !

 

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RE: cable sceptics give us your experiences !

cheeseboy wrote:

fair enough, but when you use phrases like "it amazes me how people dont hear differences" it doesn't come out the best imho....  There's nothing to be amazed about, it's just that we're all different.

 

Exactly, but by the same token, it doesn't half amaze me how some people are kidded into thinking that the "night and day" difference they claim to hear turns out to be something significantly less in practice.  Cuts both ways really.  

Most of us who place little faith in the "great" cable debate, recognise there are differences, we just feel that those differences are minimal.  When you're comparing one copper cable to another, expectations need to be tempered.  

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RE: cable sceptics give us your experiences !

Welcome to the forum Science Man.  Smile

But you've come to the wrong thread if you're looking for science, logic and rational thought regarding cables. Mike only wants biased, subjective comments on here please. Wink

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RE: Electricity.

mikefarrow wrote:

hello science man. please could then list the cables (and maybe hardware) you use ?

thanks for input !

 

 

Rahter than waste more time on an ad infinitum "quest".  Why don't you tell us what you've gained out of this thread perhaps Mike?  I think that would be far more illuminating.

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RE: cable sceptics give us your experiences !

The clearest demonstration that cables are unimportant was the thickness and type of wire in voice coils and crossovers, which is where the signal is heading.

Lookey here:  http://www.bowers-wilkins.eu/Discover/Discover/Technologies/Crossover.html 

or here  http://blog.bowers-wilkins.com/speakers/custom-installation/see-nothing-hear-everything-the-technology-used-within-ci800-series/

Are your speakers this good?

No?

Do you see 6mm copper anywhere here?

No?

Then you don't need it in your system.

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Why is everyone investing so much time to feeding the troll.?

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