Cabels

there is defenetly a point. And the once that are not intersting to post here are not forced to do it. but there can be other that want to share they expirience and impresions. I am new in this world so it is alway good to share and talk to people rather just to read information.

kr

Eduardo

If you do a search for "cables" (not"cabels") then you should have more luck in finding the multitude of threads that have already been started/locked on this subject. After reading them all, you will no longer be new to this world - probably just old and haggard 

A very lazy and offhand way of dealing with a newbie’s question? If we took this attitude to all questions, there would not be too much activity on the forum as many questions are revamps of age old problems? . . .

One would like to think the hot headed reactions of the past have tempered and perhaps even been revised some what?

In my case, my overall view has matured over recent months . . . although my general belief has not changed.

CJSF

I am a Liverpool supporter. 

There you go.

Cables are necessary. That's it.

I hate football!!! each to his own . . . there you go . . .

Cables are still necessary . . .

CJSF

Never mind cables, my own philosophy is that the key to great audio and TV picture quality is actually what kind of batteries you use in the remote control. I switched to those bunny rabbit ones for my TV and was amazed at the vibrant colours and picture sharpness, did the same for my amp remote and the soundstaging had far more depth, while I'm sure there was an extension to the bass. Having said that, I've not yet done a double blind abx test yet, or tried to compare the results whilst standing on my head

I think you mean didn't; can you hear that horse bolting?

Neigh.......

CnoEvil is right in that the polarised camps on cables are both correct, IMO.

When I started on my hifi journey I had a Nad CD and amp and some very nice Schonberg speakers.  The guy who owns the shop wanted then to demonstrate how cables change the sound.  After a short test we both agreed it didn’t. 

As I upgraded I found that interconnects made a material difference, but less so speaker cable.   Then things got interesting and led to one of those aha moments.

My sound room is a converted garage and my speakers were facing the shortest distance across the room.  At the time I had a MF M6i amp with the DALI 800 Mk2 speakers and Nad CDP.  I wanted to hear the chord Blue DAC and compare the upgrade with a MF M6 pre and power amp combination.  (to see what would give me the biggest sound improvement, if you get my jist)

I was disappointed neither offered any significant change in sound quality.  So a £350 CDP was competing with a £4500 CD transport and at best it was very limited.   At this time I was beginning to subscribe to the CD transports are nothing but dots and dashes and the law of diminishing returns had reached a point of singularity. 

I changed the position of my speakers which are now facing the long side of the room; I have a greater distance between me and my  speakers.   WOW, the change was immense.  So I went back to the previous test, the chord Blue being first then a pre and power amp.  The chord blue sounded unbelievable a far cry from my first test that said I took a gamble and bought a DCS Verdi – it paid off.  The ‘ its only dots and dashes argument ‘ was crushed for ever.    So was streaming as comparison.   I also changed my amps  to AUDIA 100 pre and power amps again the change is massive. 

So the moral ( for me) of this story is – sound upgrades depend on many factors. And to hear an upgrade in sound whether it be from cables or from separates the system and listening environment must be have the capability to allow for any upgrade in sound.  More to the point most cables won’t make a jot of difference to low end stuff .  So for many people cables won’t make any difference for some they do.  Which I think makes me a Blue.   I get the logic to both arguments but music is an emotive thing.  So CnoEvil was right both views are true.  And the one thing we can all agree on is trust your own ears the answer lies there.

most hifi  cables are a waste of time and over priced and are usually just standard cable cut from 100/500m drums with connectors fitted to them , most sound different but not actually better

standard off the shelf cables like belden brilliance range are just as good as most of the expensive types

But if you have a good sounding and balanced system expensive cables can make a Huge difference in sound quality on mains , interconnect & speakers Best i,ve ever heard and use amyself are lessloss , they offer these on 30days trial

www.lessloss.com

This coincides almost exactly with my personal viewpoint - just more eloquently put.

DCS Verdi.....very nice indeed, and your amp isn't too shabby either.

Opinions are like a..holes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.

This also coincides with my viewpoint....and have said so on several occasions! 

Thanks millerman. Experience rather than unsupported opinion. I might dispute an opinion but good to know your experience which highlights issues beyond simply replacing a cable.