The Twenty23's are no where near harsh or bass light with any music i play through them, not sure what you were listening to?
They do appreciate and open up tremendously with a quality amp like most good speakers.
They are probably one of the most balanced and detailed pair of speakers for their price and deal with bad recordings just as well, as mentioned in the review on this site.
I listened to these, the B& W PM1's, KEF LS50's and others. The B&W's were closest from what you mention but lacking compared to the PMC's. The LS50's were knocked into a cocked hat! Great for a speaker over £1200 cheaper of course, but no match IMHO
i am going to suggest something different.
I am sure that all the product mentioned so far is fine but for my money (I wish) I would like something a little more exciting.
I know that this approach will not be for everyone but I would start by auditioning Electrocompaniet integrateds, either ECI3 or ECI5 and Sonus Faber speakers, either Venere or Liuto models.
These are components that bring something of themselves to the party, to my mind a refreshing change from the rather 'matter of fact' presentation style of many of the components mentioned.
FWIW, if I had that sort of budget I would be scrabbling around for an extra couple of grand and auditioning a Devialet 110, currently £4.5k 'with everything' (bar the streamer option) and a pair of Liutos on nice stands.
Computer to USB initially and keep my eyes on the 'Streamer option' which looks likely to be improved down the line. Airplay too for casual listening.
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The ones i tried are the 24s, powered with a naim superuniti. Maybe the 23 would be different. The 24s i heard makes me want to stand up and strangle norah jones this is after more than 10 minutes audition. Maybe its the room, but the 24s bass are extended, but the impact and punch were weak (songs like jeff becks live at ronnie scott, track 10 which have quite a hard hitting drums and bassline).
Oh yeah, but I would up my budget with £1 and get the streamer option too (I suppose the offer exists in the UK as well... ends September 30th)! It is more robust now it has the RJ45 socket.
And if you want to be not-too-far-over-budget, see if you can demo the Guru QM10two speakers at around £1700. That's the combo I'm gonna try some time soon...
I thought the £1 deal was for the wireless connection but maybe not?
I kind of assumed that an outboard computer of some kind would be needed to access digital radio, Spotify and the rest and that the onboard streamer would bring these functions on board.
I have never had hands on, and apart from the dem of the D Premier that blew me away, i know little about the funcionality of the product, maybe someone can help me out. I understand how a computer can simply output music to the USB input but beyond that I am at a loss.
I demoed the 110 last month. I'm quite sure I'm gonna get me one soon. Just need to convince the wife we need it -- "the current amp ain't broken; why replace it?" (talking about a 22 year old budget Yamaha receiver here...) .
The streamer option (wireless or hardwired) normally sets you back €1000 (not sure how that translates to £ exactly), but there's a limited offer now: streamer for €1.
It is true that you need a source like a computer to stream from. Basically you make your computer see the Dev as its soundcard, be it through USB or network. From then on, you can play anything that's on the computer through the amp, Spotify, YouTube, you name it. Asynchronous. And you can set the buffer capacity, depending on the robustness of your network connection and the file size (320 kbps vs 24/192 for example), so as to get a smooth stream.That' s right: it streams 24/192 files over wifi, if your network is up to it! [having said that, I'm not into hi-res, but that's another matter...].
Thanks Doc, but really I am still not getting it.
Presumably I can just plug my computer into the usb (or toslink) socket on a non streaming D-110 and play anything that is on there?
What I am struggling with is what the 'streamer' option does differently, I assume that there are some technical and functional differences but I remain unsure as to what they are and why I need them.
For me a streamer needs to have onboard support for digital radio, Spotify etc and play them and files from a NAS without having to use a computer.
Fair play. I didn't stretch to the 24's as they would be too much for my room with the larger bass driver.
The 23's are very tight in the bass area and sit nicely in the range as a more balanced speaker unless you have a huge room to fill IMO.
AFAIK, the 'streamer' here means you can get content over a network (wired or wireless). The source can be a computer, linked to that network, or an iThing for example. The data are pulled in and clocked by the Devialet. Running files straight off a NAS is not possible yet, but I was told the Devialet engineers are working on that, and it will be possible after a soon-to-be-released firmware update.
EDIT: I could of course wait for this firmware update before pulling the trigger, but then one thing will be certain: it'll cost me €999 extra...
Doc and Dave: I think you're both right about this.
It's a bit naughty of Devialet to market AIR as a streamer because at the moment the Dev can only accept a PCM stream. The AIR software creates a PCM stream but it does so whilst sitting on a PC/Mac. Tho as Doc says, a future upgrade will allow AIR to sit on the Dev itself. My hunch is that you could run a Dev with a Synology DS NAS feeding via USB, but I'm not aware of anyone who's tried this.
When my Dev 170 arrives, I'll start by feeding it from one of my modded Sonos ZP90s via SPDIF. But in the fullness I expect to be able to connect the Dev straight to my NAS via Ethernet.
(Apologies to the OP for taking this off topic.)
What classical music are you listening to?
I agree entirely (which is why I mentioned it in my list on post 5). Maybe with two of us pushing, it might get seriously considered.
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This is a great example of why it is impossible to give definitive suggestions of what will suit someone else.
The PMCs can sound quite different depending on what amp they are paired with, the room they are placed in, and how they are supported and set up.....and even then, some will like the sound much more than others.
Well, at least it came from two people thinking independantly of each other.
I don't mind helping with a bit of Electrocompaniet and SF pushing so make it three ;)
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