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I've heard the brio-r a few times and always found something was missing in it. It sounded like a very happy camper, all happy and chirpy. Unfortunately, it did so, even when the music was melancholy.

 

Anyway, at the dealer's today, I asked him to put this on again for: Nait5XS -> Rega Dac -> Brio-R -> Rega RS5s. An all Rega system. Should be the Brio's sweet spot, no?

Well, I had that something is missing feeling again. Told the dealer to play through the Rega Elicit.

Bam! I could now put a finger onto what was missing. The Brio-R just didn't have all the texture and layering that I was used to. I guess it just ignores everything????

Anyone with similar experience/feeling?

 

Maybe my mistake is comparing it with an amp that's 4 times it's price? I would just have expected it do all that an elicit does, maybe just not as well. But it looks like it's simply glossing over all the details instead. Reminds me of a happy little puppy.

In it's defense, it sounded pretty darned good to me, just missing that certain something. Maybe my mistake was to having gotten used to more expensive stuff???

I guess it's the best you can do in that price category?

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RE: Brio-R: where's the texture? where are the details?

The Transport was a cd5xs, not a nait5xs.

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MoData wrote:

I've heard the brio-r a few times and always found something was missing in it. It sounded like a very happy camper, all happy and chirpy. Unfortunately, it did so, even when the music was melancholy.

 

Anyway, at the dealer's today, I asked him to put this on again for: Nait5XS -> Rega Dac -> Brio-R -> Rega RS5s. An all Rega system. Should be the Brio's sweet spot, no?

Well, I had that something is missing feeling again. Told the dealer to play through the Rega Elicit.

Bam! I could now put a finger onto what was missing. The Brio-R just didn't have all the texture and layering that I was used to. I guess it just ignores everything????

Anyone with similar experience/feeling?

 

Maybe my mistake is comparing it with an amp that's 4 times it's price? I would just have expected it do all that an elicit does, maybe just not as well. But it looks like it's simply glossing over all the details instead. Reminds me of a happy little puppy.

In it's defense, it sounded pretty darned good to me, just missing that certain something. Maybe my mistake was to having gotten used to more expensive stuff???

I guess it's the best you can do in that price category?

You've answered your own question/query: The Rega Brio-R is sub-£500 and the XS is around £1300. Err, with respect, I'm struggling to fathom the logic. Think the price disparity should tell its own story.

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plastic penguin wrote:

You've answered your own question/query: The Rega Brio-R is sub-£500 and the XS is around £1300. Err, with respect, I'm struggling to fathom the logic. Think the price disparity should tell its own story.

 

I guess I was just maybe expecting a lot more, since this amp seems to be hyped up so much both on this forum and PFM as the best thing ever. Maybe it's the trade members hyping it up, and several other folks who've bought into the hype cheering everyone along.

I mean yeah, it's great at it's price point, but that's pretty much it. It's great at it's price....

Come to think of it, almost every product out there is supposedly great at it's price and a 'giant killer'. Which mean everything is really priced just right. At least all the whathifi 4 and 5 star products are priced right, and the rest is just rotten wannabe stuff.

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RE: Brio-R: where's the texture? where are the details?

the brio -r, is what it is, a very good amp at 500 notes. What you should do is compare it with other amps in its price bracket and see where it stands. Say £400 to £750. Why would you compare it to its 3x price bigger brother and expect to be as good? Rega are not gonna cut their own throats with budget amp that matches its more expensive stablemate.

I tried the elecit against my cursa/exon, gues what, the cursa exon are better, but then I would have been peed off if they had not been.

 

as to hype, it applies to so much stuff, either in the mags, or online forums. keep looking and reading, have a look at the current flavour of the month, and watch the classifieds in 3-6 months.

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MoData wrote:

plastic penguin wrote:

You've answered your own question/query: The Rega Brio-R is sub-£500 and the XS is around £1300. Err, with respect, I'm struggling to fathom the logic. Think the price disparity should tell its own story.

 

I guess I was just maybe expecting a lot more, since this amp seems to be hyped up so much both on this forum and PFM as the best thing ever. Maybe it's the trade members hyping it up, and several other folks who've bought into the hype cheering everyone along.

I mean yeah, it's great at it's price point, but that's pretty much it. It's great at it's price....

Come to think of it, almost every product out there is supposedly great at it's price and a 'giant killer'. Which mean everything is really priced just right. At least all the whathifi 4 and 5 star products are priced right, and the rest is just rotten wannabe stuff.

It is easy to get trapped in the 'hyped up' lift of expectation, I've been a recipent of that myself. However, experience has taught me that all components have their limitations; the Brio-R must be good for all (or most) dealers to acknowledge its talents...

Would you buy a BMW 325i and expect it perform like a Ferrari?

 

Edit - Suggestion: Try and listen to a sub-£1000 integrated such as Roksan Kandy, Creek Evo2, Arcam A18, Rotel RA-1520 and see how the Brio-R stacks up.

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RE: Brio-R: where's the texture? where are the details?

Texture and details and the willing to show these are the strenght of brio r. Its not that balanced, mature explosive. Its sounds little more music then hifi, but still hifi virtue Expensive amps like roksan capsian m2 might be complete but it cost like a car.

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RE: Brio-R: where's the texture? where are the details?

Lame post  ohhh sure

 

MoData wrote:

I've heard the brio-r a few times and always found something was missing in it. It sounded like a very happy camper, all happy and chirpy. Unfortunately, it did so, even when the music was melancholy.

 

Anyway, at the dealer's today, I asked him to put this on again for: Nait5XS -> Rega Dac -> Brio-R -> Rega RS5s. An all Rega system. Should be the Brio's sweet spot, no?

Well, I had that something is missing feeling again. Told the dealer to play through the Rega Elicit.

Bam! I could now put a finger onto what was missing. The Brio-R just didn't have all the texture and layering that I was used to. I guess it just ignores everything????

Anyone with similar experience/feeling?

 

Maybe my mistake is comparing it with an amp that's 4 times it's price? I would just have expected it do all that an elicit does, maybe just not as well. But it looks like it's simply glossing over all the details instead. Reminds me of a happy little puppy.

In it's defense, it sounded pretty darned good to me, just missing that certain something. Maybe my mistake was to having gotten used to more expensive stuff???

I guess it's the best you can do in that price category?

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RE: Brio-R: where's the texture? where are the details?

Sorry but your post makes no sense to me...

The Brio R is a great amp at it's pricepoint, thats why it impresses people. I also find my more exspensive Naim nait XS outperforming it... go figure...

Like you, i find the brio r very different from the elicit, but infact much more enjoyeble and easy to listen to. There seems to be some generel consensus on this observation, and might be why alot of folks are excited?

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RE: Brio-R: where's the texture? where are the details?

Brio r shows it heart with some recordings, Id listen to much harsh material I only can blame on my dac but with things like this Id get closer to the music itself, Im not a strong believer in bitrate. I can hear plenty of digital details elsewhere but things like this is the pure sound. I can imagine that track with a serious system, check out more live orchestras.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQvM4EM0lO8&feature=related  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTmeQv81cwU

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RE: Brio-R: where's the texture? where are the details?

Hey, I don't mind to stand corrected. What's with the insults though?

I'm a big fan of the rega brand, and am still seriously thinking of getting the Brio-R for a second system, paired with the rega dac or the new apollo-R. It's just when I find stuff amiss, I'm wondering what's going on.

I don't think it's as simple as it's pricepoint being different. Maybe I need to try a lighter load than the RS5s to have it give it's best? Now that would be constructive criticism.. Maybe there's better synergy with RS1s?

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The Brio-R is on my wishlist for the office system. I heard it with Rega RS1 and ATC SCM7. The RS1 made some nice sounds but a switch to the SCM7 elicited more details and textures throughout the frequency range. The pairing sounded marvellous. Smile

 

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RE: Brio-R: where's the texture? where are the details?

I'm getting one tomorrow. Need to get to the bottom of this. Smile

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Rega brio r is good sounding but for those who want power it isnt a good pick, the top behaves stressed when the volyme turns up from normal levels and midrange is not fully neutral. Id got dali zensor 7 and it did match little better then bx tonallity but still, now im not pleased with the system I guess Id got demanding ears, I want more weight, fuller sound and much much less coloration and harsh when volyme comes at high levels. Now I agree with whathifi that dali got bulky lows, but it also lacks depth in the sound picture, It is tho more textured, neutral, smoother then bx range but bx got better definition in bass and got the depth and the midrange never got bulky. Id say dali and bx is quite similar to performace but none of them would stay with me a longer time. Im gonna buy roksan caspian m2 one day and maybe jade 7 who knows but It isnt smooth on one review I found.

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RE: Brio-R: where's the texture? where are the details?

Got this from a friend for a few days. I have no idea what the dealers are upto. This sound so much better at home. rubbish to the texture and detail. This is so much fun!!!!

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Once again rega brio r for its Money it puts maximum focus on texture, details and agility. Man got a little suprised Jade 3 speaker only cost 600euro where i live, I wonder how that speaker will cope with the brio but 86db sensitivity may be a little to low.

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