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Which albums are they?
Pink floyd DSOTM...imho how the band would want the album to be presented.
Pink floyd WYWH..
The Doors, The Doors..
+1. also live recording in 5.1 on Pulse. Saw PF live in Coventry in 1972 performing Meddle with 'quadraphonic' rear speakers. Set the controls and interstellar overdrive were magnificent with the late Richard Wright's various keyboard effects wizzing arround the small venue. Heard Sansui and other quadraphonic amps at various Hifi shows but was doomed by the lack of source. Was listening to Us and Them on 181.fm the eagle via rPac and Sennheiser 558s last night and marvel how a lowly 128kbss stream can produce such an imersive and detailed sound. The mysteries of Hifi and those tiny receptors in the ears. I bought DSOTM in 1973, have various CD versions, SADC, DVds , rips in lossless and several ways of playing each. All from the same master tape. I enjoy all of them.
...Most apparent on Brothers in Arms 20th aniversary which is night and day from the original CD....
Really? So the fact that BIA was TRACKED, as in RECORDED in 16/44.1 doesn't make you stop and think that any differences you hear are purely in the mastering, or in your mind?
This is proof-plenty that all this hi-res nonesence is a gimmick purely to suck the audiophool into buying their music all over again.
REM's Out Of Time 24/96 is a completely different master (and even mix on more than one song) to the CD.
That's what you're hearing. Nothing to do with the hi-res gumph.
It's not a real-life listening scenario though, you know, one with an audience, no audience is ever going to be surrounded by the musicians (other than a Mariachi band in a Tex-Mex restaurant perhaps) in that manner, so what is it trying to achieve?
I'm more interested in an interesting sensory experience than it necessarily being true to life.
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People will always be resistant to change, and these negative comments are understandable. I would suggest to have a listen first, before rubbishing it.
We can be reasonably sure that those who likes 5.1 music had heard music in stereo, and so are able to form a comparative opinion (albeit a subjective one, as all opinions must be, so that in itself doesn't make them 'right').
Have all those who are anti-5.1 music actually heard it?
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I've a fair collection of hi-res material myself as I really wanted the format to be the great improvement it was cracked up to be. It took me a while to notice the different master con. Out Of Time was the big giveaway for me.
Hi-res is great in the studio. All that extra headroom is required in an environment where you're futsin' around with levels, eq's, effects and so on, but it simply isn't required in the finished product.
5.1 is a totally different matter. More power to it. I'm sure it sounds great given it's a whole new multi-channel mix. No problems with that.
I see. So Hi res is essential for the pros, but bog standard res is ok for us simple folk.
You're right, thought, we wouldn't understand hi res. I mean, isn't headroom the amount of space in your bowler? :)
Tongue in cheek, of course
Yes, I meant 5.1.
As aluded to above, one mans meat etc. I bought remasters of Neil Youngs early albums and some are ghastly, IMHO. Log on to HD tracks and you can sample clips from their offerings. To my ears Rumours sounds Ok, Abraxas brash for example. Others will disagree. I am looking forward to GRRR because I heard Gimme Shelter on internet radio and it sounded better than my Cd version Don't realy care what the source is providing that it doesn't offend my ageing ears. I was weened on my dad's Quad valve amps, so bought Meridian and Marrantz hardware to suite my taste.
I think any debate about the potential of BluRay for high quality audio has to look at the total package and not just the bigger numbers attached to the raw datastreams.
Take any CD, stick it in a CD player OR DVD player OR DVD-Audio player or SACD player OR BluRay player OR most games consoles OR most computers and press Play and *it*just*plays*.
Take a digital feed from the outputs of pretty much any of the above, and feed it to an external DAC, and the sound improves.
Neither of these things necessarily apply to a BluRay audio disc — they certainly didn't to DVD-Audio and there's no evidence that record company executives have become any more interested in ease of use or sound quality since that debacle.
On the basis of the small number of so-called "audio-only" BluRays I've tried over the last few years, the very best you can hope for is that the disc will halt on insertion till you turn the TV on and work through the (completely arbitrary) menus to select the sound format you want, while being assailed by corporate logos and background sound excerpts you don't wanna see or hear.
In most cases they simply start to play with *some* default format, probably not the one you want, and there's no way to set the player to default to a particular signal type the way an SACD player can be set to default to a layer. You have to stop playback, select the menus, select the signal, restart playback at the beginning (simply pressing play will typically restart where you stopped).
Similarly, attaching an external DAC is often futile because the digital outs are forceably downsampled to 24/48 at best for copyright reasons.
It's true that when you finally get to the playback, having switched off the TV you didn't want to switch on the first place, the sound quality of such discs, whether because of the higher resolution or superior mastering, does appear to be better than the same material on CD. But the hassle of getting to it...
In short, the combination of forced video navigation and forced use of limited quality internal DACs are likely to ruin the BD-audio experience (as it did the DVD-Audio one), and the utility of HFPA, or any other hires launch, depends on eliminating both from the outset.
I have no confidence at all that the suits responsible understand either issue.
My current BDP has a "Pure Audio" mode that blanks the video. No digital audio goes to the TV either. The TV doesn't have to be on though it could be set to automatically detect a disc being loaded & switch to that HDMI input. Most of my music listening is streamed over the internet via iTunes Match, the TV doesn't need to be on because can control it through either my iPad or iPhone. I do have the option of selecting music through the menus displayed on the TV if I wish.
To quote a para from Andrew E's article:
"So what’s on the disc is LPCM stereo at 192kHz/24-bit, 5.1-channel 192kHz/24-bit DTS-HD Master Audio, 7.1-channel 96kHz/24-bit DTS-HD MA, and – amazingly –9.1-channel Auro-3D 96kHz/24-bit."
This suggests that my player at least will feed the LPCM stream to my M-DAC up to 24bit 192k. I'm not sure whether outputting Hi Res to an external DAC is a copyright issue rather than a licencing one.
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