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The compression issue on modern CDs has nothing to do with the capacity or any other 'limitations' of the CD format.

It is a 'value judgement' made by the music industry.

 

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Any differences you hear between hi-res material and standard CDs will be down to the mastering, this has been shown to be the case many times.

What does intrigue me though is the reliance on 'commodity' standard real time optical transports and error correction circuitry, in my experience this can impact on sound quality quite noticably, something that became apparent in recent times, bit perfect rips played on quality headphones really show the difference.

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ddc, what about suspending your objectivist stance and trying the new format? The Naxos disks are only £12 from memory, and they do sound good. Yes, that could be the mastering, but if people take more care in production because it is a revealing format, everybody wins.

The DTS is, you'd have to admit, an interesting development.

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ddc, what about suspending your objectivist stance and trying the new format? The Naxos disks are only £12 from memory, and they do sound good. Yes, that could be the mastering, but if people take more care in production because it is a revealing format, everybody wins.

You're missing the point though, if they took more care in the production and mastering of the CDs you wouldn't NEED a new format to get the benefit. And they'd be cheaper. Stereo only of course though, so if surround is your bag then of course you'll need to look elsewhere.

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BigH

The compression issue on modern CDs has nothing to do with the capacity or any other 'limitations' of the CD format.

It is a 'value judgement' made by the music industry.

 

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Any differences you hear between hi-res material and standard CDs will be down to the mastering, this has been shown to be the case many times.

What does intrigue me though is the reliance on 'commodity' standard real time optical transports and error correction circuitry, in my experience this can impact on sound quality quite noticably, something that became apparent in recent times, bit perfect rips played on quality headphones really show the difference.

 

I did not say it did, sorry if I gave that impression, its just seems that 95% of the cds relaesed in the last 10 years have been over compressed, hopefully BD will not be the same. I agree about the res. 

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ddc, what about suspending your objectivist stance and trying the new format? The Naxos disks are only £12 from memory, and they do sound good. Yes, that could be the mastering, but if people take more care in production because it is a revealing format, everybody wins.

The DTS is, you'd have to admit, an interesting development.

 

But are they are better than the Naxos cds which I presume have the same mastering?

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altruistic.lemon wrote:
ddc, what about suspending your objectivist stance and trying the new format? The Naxos disks are only £12 from memory, and they do sound good. Yes, that could be the mastering, but if people take more care in production because it is a revealing format, everybody wins.

You're missing the point though, if they took more care in the production and mastering of the CDs you wouldn't NEED a new format to get the benefit. And they'd be cheaper. Stereo only of course though, so if surround is your bag then of course you'll need to look elsewhere.

No point missing going on! You get a lot more with the new format -  what about DTS? That could be the next big step forward in home audio.
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altruistic.lemon wrote:

ddc, what about suspending your objectivist stance and trying the new format? The Naxos disks are only £12 from memory, and they do sound good. Yes, that could be the mastering, but if people take more care in production because it is a revealing format, everybody wins.

The DTS is, you'd have to admit, an interesting development.

 

But are they are better than the Naxos cds which I presume have the same mastering?

Buy and try, buy and try. Also remember you also get DTS with these.

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If anyone wants convincing about the benefits of a high resolution audio format then track down one of REM's albums released on DVD-Audio (eg New Adventures in Hi-Fi, or Up). Each one comes with two discs, the DVD-Audio and the CD; stick both in your player one after the other and the difference in quality should be immediately apparent. Am all for BluRay audio provided (as others have said) its genuine hi-res source content.

And no, I won't be buying DSOTM yet again either...

+1. Recently purchased the excellent Marrantz ud7007 and dusted off my small colection of SACDs and DVD-As including DSOTM. Big difference from the hybrid CD layer. Most apparent on Brothers in Arms 20th aniversary which is night and day from the original CD. Very excited by BluRay music and waiting for GRRR to arrive from Amazon. Will report back.

 

Just be aware that on some hybrid SACDs the cd layer is NOT the same (mix/mastering) as the SACD layer.

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

BigH wrote:

altruistic.lemon wrote:

ddc, what about suspending your objectivist stance and trying the new format? The Naxos disks are only £12 from memory, and they do sound good. Yes, that could be the mastering, but if people take more care in production because it is a revealing format, everybody wins.

The DTS is, you'd have to admit, an interesting development.

 

But are they are better than the Naxos cds which I presume have the same mastering?

Buy and try, buy and try. Also remember you also get DTS with these.

 

No BDT. What use is DTS with stereo set up? Not that into classical anyway.

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No BDT. What use is DTS with stereo set up? Not that into classical anyway.

It isn't, but it could turn the audio path away from stereo, if there is real benefit, making it a thing of the path.
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BigH wrote:

No BDT. What use is DTS with stereo set up? Not that into classical anyway.

It isn't, but it could turn the audio path away from stereo, if there is real benefit, making it a thing of the path.

 

Thats debatable, I know of people who have moved back to stereo because of problems, some of the mixes are not very good. Some stuff does not sound right. I think for classical it would work, not so sure about some other genres though.

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Thats debatable, I know of people who have moved back to stereo because of problems, some of the mixes are not very good. Some stuff does not sound right. I think for classical it would work, not so sure about some other genres though.

I don't see why it would work for classical, you don't get to sit in the middle of the orchestra do you? At most all you'd get is reflected sound behind you, which would be a pretty subtle surround effect and hardly seems worth the effort.

DTS is no big deal, particularly if you subscribe to the idea the 24-bit audio brings no audible benefit over properly mastered 16-bit audio.

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I don't see why it would work for classical, you don't get to sit in the middle of the orchestra do you?

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I don't see why it would work for classical, you don't get to sit in the middle of the orchestra do you?

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I don't see an audience sitting there?

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