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Blu-ray High Definition Audio Discs - first thoughts

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Having read about these the WHF, and having a Blu-Ray player that seldom gets used, I decided to import some of these,  and have report  the result is better than I thought possible. OK, I only bought 3 new classical discs from the Naxos range - The 4 Seasons, Chopin Piano Concerto No 1 and Mahler's 8th (forgot it was the one with all the singing in) . Silences are positively limpid, soundstage wider than I've ever heard it. It's like the pianist (playing Chopin) is there with you. As for detail, in the Chopin I swear you can hear the piano stool creaking during the difficult bits. The Vivaldi has an immediacy up with that of the seminal Jansen CD, but somehow with more space around it. Not just me who thought this, either. My girlfriend walked in and asked me what I'd changed in the system, it sounded so good. "It's almost like a 3D orchestra is in the room", she said.

The format is explained here http://www.whathifi.com/news/ultra-high-quality-audio-from-blu-ray-enters-the-mainstream . Naxos say this about it http://www.naxos.com/blu-ray_audio.asp , and here's a list of currently available titles http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=11097

These play on any Blu-ray player, and they come in Stereo and DTS (not sure what that is) mode. As far as I know there's no video component, apart from an on screen menu, but you can just put them straight into your Blu-ray player and press play.

I'm only sorry they've come so late on the scene. From what I've heard, they may be an advance on the regular CD, and I'm wondering how stunning the 5.1 DTS would sound.

Worth trying out, the format is genuinely impressive, particularly if you like classical.

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Excellent.

Good review.*

I might try one if I can find one I like. (Any Handel?)

*Even had the "girlfriend walking in and wondering what had changed" bit Smile

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chebby wrote:

Excellent.

Good review.*

I might try one if I can find one I like. (Any Handel?)

*Even had the "girlfriend walking in and wondering what had changed" bit Smile

 

And the creaking piano stool. 

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Ive been buying operas on blu-ray like this

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/La-Traviata-Salzburg-Festival-Blu-ray/dp/B001MRMRS8/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1372356648&sr=8-3-fkmr2&keywords=rolando+villazon++on+blu-ray

 

for ages that have high res audio and picture whats the advantage of this new thing because all i can see different is it has no visuals to go with the music.

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Is it high res audio? The new releases are all 24 bit/ 96khz

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I don't see the point of yet another audio disc format (with SACD already catering for HD), albeit one based on an existing video one. I firmly believe that the only discs being spun sooner rather than later will be vinyl.

Another problem is the most DACs won't handle DTS streams so the user is reliant on the analogue output from their BD player or down-sampling the digital output to 16bit 44.1k (CD quality). Please correct me if things have changed - I'd be delighted to be wrong! I don't think HDMI converters will output 24/96 let alone 24/192.

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FWIW, I'm all for it. And a half-decent hi-fi-grade/audio-only disc-spinner capable of CD/SACD/Blu-ray playback now seems very tempting Smile

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Few months ago i bought this

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Modern-Cool-Blu-ray-Patricia-Barber/dp/B00802EYDO/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1372358698&sr=1-1&keywords=patricia+barber+modern+cool

its a audio only blu-ray sounds very good and is 5.1 dts ma 24/96

So whats the fuss about this new thing.

The advantage high res music has on blu-ray is you can have video with it but if its just high res music only then better of getting it with downloads and stream it.

 

 

   

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busb wrote:

I don't see the point of yet another audio disc format (with SACD already catering for HD), albeit one based on an existing video one. I firmly believe that the only discs being spun sooner rather than later will be vinyl.

Another problem is the most DACs won't handle DTS streams so the user is reliant on the analogue output from their BD player or down-sampling the digital output to 16bit 44.1k (CD quality). Please correct me if things have changed - I'd be delighted to be wrong! I don't think HDMI converters will output 24/96 let alone 24/192.

As mentioned above, they come with a DTS and a stereo PCM mix, this can be output via coax to DAC. Downmix to PCM is standard on all Blu-ray players anyway, surely?

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You seem to have missed the point.

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That patricia barber blu-ray i linked above is 24.96 and when played through coax out to my m-dac the m-dac shows 16/48 on its display and its hard to rip a blu-ray so for streaming i used a Sony digital recorder fed from the blu-rays analogue out and recorded at 24.96.Smile

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

You seem to have missed the point.

Who seems to have missed the point? Since your post followed mine, I was replying to the quoted text; the point being that most people consider their DACs to be better quality than their blu-ray players, and the PCM stream is 24/96.

It is what I am doing with the recent Hawkwind Warrior at the Edge of Time remasters, perhaps you might look those up.

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Datay, my reply was to John.

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Bit more of an open-minded reply here in Cloud Cuckoo land AL.  Mind you, less lapdogs running round the place admittedly.   Wink

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

Datay, my reply was to John.

Well my point is 24/96 music has been available for years on blu-ray already so whats the difference between BD-A and HFPA.

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

Datay, my reply was to John.

Ok, that's what I needed to know! You must have posted while I was writing and mine appeared in between embarassed